Alonso or Schumi?

[hahnvin]

pag wet race ang japan at brazil for sure si schumi na ang panalo nyan

[squatt3r]

sana wala pa ring kupas si rain master

[EL Chicane]

besides, mas aerodynamic yung baba niya so he has an advantage there :bwahaha:

Bro, naka-helmet sila during racing. So walang effect yung baba niya.

-Mr. Killjoy

[allen_the_great]

pag wet race ang japan at brazil for sure si schumi na ang panalo nyan

di rin sure yan.. last time na umulan (hungarian gp), nidominate ni alonso ang race until masiraan siya.. he even pulled off a clean overtaking maneuver against schumi in the early stages of the race. wala na sure ngayon sa F1. hindi na to ung early 2000's na dominated ni schumi n ferrari lahat.

having said that, Alonso! Alonso!

[number001]

^It wasnt raining really hard in Hungary. The track was wet but it was drying in the latter stages of the race. Michael made a mistake of clinging onto his intermediate tires, which costed him what would have been a second place finish.

Alonso managed to overtake Michael early in the race in Hungary bec. they were on different strategies.

Despite some people seemingly unable to give credit when its deserved, Michael is considered indeed one of the "rain maester" of the current F1 driver's line-up. Rubens Barrichello is another strong runner in the rain. Michael won in Barcelona in '96, despite the *******ial rain and managed to be four seconds a lap faster than the nearest rival. He won again in '97 in Spa and Monaco under the same conditions and using the same tires as everyone else, btw.

Who could forget Malaysia 2001, Ferrari 1-2 in qualifying and it rains after a few laps into the race. Michael and Rubens are forced to pit for rain tyres and later joined at the tail end of the field, even behind Mazzacane in the Prost! In less than ten laps, they were 1-2 again and won the race in the same position. There are countless of other instances where Michael won the race despite qualifying at a lower position but winning the race bec. of the rain.

One of Ruben's finest performance was in Hockenheim in 2000 where he won his first win ever. It started out as a nightmare weekend for Ferrari. Michael's car was inoperable for qualifying and so was Ruben's. So both drivers had to share the T-car between each other for qualifying. Michael managed to qualify in the top five only to be taken out of the race by Fisichella in the Benetton at the first corner. Ruben's started out at 18th place and managed to win bec. he gambled on running intermediate tires while the Mclaren had to pit for full rain tires.

[allen_the_great]

^It wasnt raining really hard in Hungary. The track was wet but it was drying in the latter stages of the race.

i was quoting hahnvin na sinabi nya "wet race". pwede yan mangahulugang umuulan during the race or umulan before the race kaya wet ang race track.

Alonso managed to overtake Michael early in the race in Hungary bec. they were on different strategies.

fyi, pareho sila nagstart ng race on intermediates. ur ryt, they were on different strategies. coz michael pitted on lap 17 and alonso pitted on lap 27, so meaning mas mabigat si alonso during the early part of the race. ang galing. i wonder how he managed to overtake michael even though he's got 10 more laps of fuel on board than michael. different strategies? :hysterical:

Despite some people seemingly unable to give credit when its deserved, Michael is considered indeed one of the "rain maester" of the current F1 driver's line-up. Rubens Barrichello is another strong runner in the rain. Michael won in Barcelona in '96, despite the *******ial rain and managed to be four seconds a lap faster than the nearest rival. He won again in '97 in Spa and Monaco under the same conditions and using the same tires as everyone else, btw.

Who could forget Malaysia 2001, Ferrari 1-2 in qualifying and it rains after a few laps into the race. Michael and Rubens are forced to pit for rain tyres and later joined at the tail end of the field, even behind Mazzacane in the Prost! In less than ten laps, they were 1-2 again and won the race in the same position. There are countless of other instances where Michael won the race despite qualifying at a lower position but winning the race bec. of the rain.

One of Ruben's finest performance was in Hockenheim in 2000 where he won his first win ever. It started out as a nightmare weekend for Ferrari. Michael's car was inoperable for qualifying and so was Ruben's. So both drivers had to share the T-car between each other for qualifying. Michael managed to qualify in the top five only to be taken out of the race by Fisichella in the Benetton at the first corner. Ruben's started out at 18th place and managed to win bec. he gambled on running intermediate tires while the Mclaren had to pit for full rain tires.

he's indeed a great "rain driver". though ang mga references mo puro early 2000's where ferrari totally dominated F1. siguro lagay mo dun sa posisyon na yun si raikkonen or alonso ganun dn mangyayari.

peace.

[CoDer]

Schumi hater ba ako?

Alonzo? I don't mind. Go schumi!

[number001]

fyi, pareho sila nagstart ng race on intermediates. ur ryt, they were on different strategies. coz michael pitted on lap 17 and alonso pitted on lap 27, so meaning mas mabigat si alonso during the early part of the race. ang galing. i wonder how he managed to overtake michael even though he's got 10 more laps of fuel on board than michael. different strategies?

Alonso got good tires. Michelin mostly dominated Hungaroring except in 2004. Using Michelins here is like driving on rails. Obviously, Michael was suffering from weaker Bridgestone tires. Yes, it does look spectacular a heavier car overtaking a supposedly lighter car. But we dont know see the complete picture of whats behind those cars.

he's indeed a great "rain driver". though ang mga references mo puro early 2000's where ferrari totally dominated F1. siguro lagay mo dun sa posisyon na yun si raikkonen or alonso ganun dn mangyayari.

Being a good driver in the rain has nothing to do with the driver's team being dominant or not. I cite those past races bec. those were perfect examples of their driving skills in the rain. Heck, if it rained more often, you'll probably see the same rain conditioned drivers dominating the charts. Beside, Ferrari only started to dominate starting in 2000 before that they were a second or third tier team struggling to attain a consistent win or race points. The top tier team then were Mclaren and Williams, any guess why such "top" teams lost out to a third tier team like Ferrari in the rain, even with the same Goodyear tires. Obviously, it is the driver who is the major, if not, total contributing factor here. You can have a car that drives as if its on rails in the dry, but when it rains, its a whole different factor. That's when a driver's input come into play and the technical advantage of the car becomes less and less a contributing factor to the end result. That's when you see the good rain drivers winning a race using cars from teams known for their inability to keep pace in a race.

There are several dark horse race winners bec. of rain such as Olivier Panis in Monaco '96 in Ligier (the ancestor of team Prost) for one.

[evs_13]

Schumi Ako

[allen_the_great]

Alonso got good tires. Michelin mostly dominated Hungaroring except in 2004. Using Michelins here is like driving on rails. Obviously, Michael was suffering from weaker Bridgestone tires. Yes, it does look spectacular a heavier car overtaking a supposedly lighter car. But we dont know see the complete picture of whats behind those cars.

yeah, michelin had the upper hand in hungaroring this year. but then i was only reacting to ur previous post that alonso overtook schumi because they were on different strategies. yes they were, but the fuel load factor was in favor of schumi. parang ang pagkakaintindi ko kasi sa post mo, na-overtake lang ni alonso si schumi dahil either tama ang ginamit na tyres ni alonso at mali ang tyres ni schumi, or mas magaan si alonso. and we all know na both of the above aren't true. and regardless of whether michelin had the upper hand in that race, give credit where credit is due. alonso drove like crazy in the opening laps. other michelin runners could have done what alonso did din if we go by the michelin theory. but as far as i can remember, alonso was the only michelin driver that overtook schumi on the track.

Being a good driver in the rain has nothing to do with the driver's team being dominant or not.

so hypothetically, if you put schumi in a HONDA this season tas umulan sa japan, china or brazil, mananalo sya?

point ko lang, yes schumi is a fantastic driver in the rain BUT dependent din ang success nya sa lakas ng kotse nya.