Wikileaks: Collateral Murder Video

[anonemus]

AFAIK: Asking for permission before firing is not impunity.

Soldiers in a combat zone often have to use their own judgment as to what constitutes a legal target. Sometimes that judgment is wrong, but when they ask for clearance before firing, that shows that they are concerned as to whether they are making the right decision.

Remember, niky, these US foot soldiers deployed in Iraq were on average 18-20 year old boys. It's a protocol that before any firearm is discharged, permission has to be asked first. Please watch the video again carefully, atat na atat yung Apache shooter to blow the van to kingdom come. "Trigger-happy" is the term that comes to mind. And what sitrep did he gave his commander? That the wounded is being carried out by a black vehicle. Yun lang. Siyempre si Commander thought that a terrorist was rescuing another terrorist.

Why didn't the Apache crew fired warning shots around the vehicle instead?

After watching this, I hope you'd condemn Israel too...

Both Israel and Palestines have done horrendous crimes against each other's people which are condemnable

CHR or not...

TS's position is understandable since his turf is a war zone

kindof the same for me since Isabela is swarmed with NPA's

most of the time they'll randomly hijack vehicles passing through the mountains or raze some comm towers

was pretty messy when Padaca pulled out most of the military... especially along the border of Ifugao, Abra, etc.

Thanks for pointing out that the issue is not about me, but about the atrocities perpetrated in times of conflict--both by friendlies and foes

[safeorigin]

^like what the yanks say...

"you've never been there, man![vietnam]"

[donbuggy]

Charlie Chaplin in Monsieur Verdoux (1947):

Wars, conflict - it's all business. One murder makes a villain; millions, a hero.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039631/quotes

[niky]

That the wounded is being carried out by a black vehicle. Yun lang. Siyempre si Commander thought that a terrorist was rescuing another terrorist.

If you're in a war, and a combatant is escaping after engaging/wounding/killing some of your men, you will naturally not want that combatant to be recovered by his comrades.

Why didn't the Apache crew fired warning shots around the vehicle instead?

Better if they had a loudspeaker to warn the vehicle occupants to stop. Warning shots from a ridiculously powerful cannon like the Apache's could still hit innocents.

[safeorigin]

If you're in a war, and a combatant is escaping after engaging/wounding/killing some of your men, you will naturally not want that combatant to be recovered by his comrades.

which actually goes against the Art of War...

Better if they had a loudspeaker to warn the vehicle occupants to stop. Warning shots from a ridiculously powerful cannon like the Apache's could still hit innocents.

yep, 30mm's are ridiculously inaccurate and cause vibrations in the entire airframe

though you could aim it at the wide empty road...

and fire tracer rounds...

or release some chaffs/flares...

or make a flyby...

above are usually done during operation shock and awe... Iraqi's surrendered just at the mere sight of drones(since they usually laser designate targets for tomahawks, artillery, GBU's etc.)

[roninblade]

Why didn't the Apache crew fired warning shots around the vehicle instead?

LMAO at this. fire warning shots in war? are you freaking joking? as far as those pilots were concerned those guys were carrying ak47s and rpgs - yeah, they mistook the tripod and cameras for weapons. you dont fire warning shots in battle or you'll lose the initiative and the enemy will have a chance to fire back or escape.

Remember, niky, these US foot soldiers deployed in Iraq were on average 18-20 year old boys. It's a protocol that before any firearm is discharged, permission has to be asked first. Please watch the video again carefully, atat na atat yung Apache shooter to blow the van to kingdom come. "Trigger-happy" is the term that comes to mind.

please do some reasearch first. grunts may be 18-20 years old pero apache pilots are officers and need a bachelor's degree (to fly an apache). they are not trigger happy, they just had a different appreciation of the situation than your armchair analysis. indecisiveness and hesitation have no place in the battlefield. once they analyzed the situation, they went with it. only in hindsight lang nakita na mali yung initial analysis. for all they know those men were rallying to support the peope firing on other units not too far from that position.

And what sitrep did he gave his commander? That the wounded is being carried out by a black vehicle. Yun lang. Siyempre si Commander thought that a terrorist was rescuing another terrorist.

as mentioned before, they mistook the men for combatants. you dont let men like that escape. and who else would jump in to the fray but support people for the men you just shot at. which brings me back to my original post - don't get involved if you have your kids with you, too many things can happen in war. that's why that parent is still a dead heroic idiot.

it's easy to analyze and judge any act from the safety of your own home, especially if you haven't experienced being in the front lines watching the men in your unit get torn up. that's part of the reason why people here are not jumping on your bandwagon - we may have flaming from time to time but, generally, tsikoteers have cooler heads and are not easily swept up by emotions.