What Will Be The Difference In Our Lives If We Dont Believe In God?

[Monseratto]

The Christian faith does not deny the value of science. In fact, it also allows science to corroborate the existence of a God. So I don't know why you're trying to pit science and faith against each other. What is bothersome about this illustration is that the illustration conditions the reader into thinking that all science contradicts faith, which is completely false.

Though the Church do accepts scientific studies and facts, they do it with a lot of resevations. The Church persecuted and sometimes executed early scientists when they present findings contradictory to Church doctrine...best example is Galileo.

Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy", namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions.

He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition. On the following day this was commuted to house arrest, which he remained under for the rest of his life.

Galileo continued to receive visitors until 1642, when, after suffering fever and heart palpitations, he died on January 8, 1642, aged 77. The Grand Duke of Tuscany, Ferdinando II, wished to bury him in the main body of the Basilica of Santa Croce, next to the tombs of his father and other ancestors, and to erect a marble mausoleum in his honour. These plans were scrapped, however, after Pope Urban VIII and his nephew, Cardinal Francesco Barberini, protested, because Galileo was condemned by the Catholic Church for "vehement suspicion of heresy"

Here's another guy who discovered that the Earth revolved around the Sun...

Giordano Bruno (1548 – February 17, 1600), born Filippo Bruno, was an Italian Dominican friar, philosopher, mathematician and astronomer. His cosmological theories went beyond the Copernican model in proposing that the Sun was essentially a star, and moreover, that the universe contained an infinite number of inhabited worlds populated by other intelligent beings. He was burned at the stake by civil authorities in 1600 after the Roman Inquisition found him guilty of heresy for his pantheism and turned him over to the state, which at that time considered heresy illegal. After his death he gained considerable fame; in the 19th and early 20th centuries, commentators focusing on his astronomical beliefs regarded him as a martyr for free thought and modern scientific ideas.

The numerous charges against Bruno, based on some of his books as well as on witness accounts, included blasphemy, immoral conduct, and heresy in matters of dogmatic theology, and involved some of the basic doctrines of his philosophy and cosmology. Luigi Firpo lists these charges made against Bruno by the Roman Inquisition:

-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith and speaking against it and its ministers;
-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about the Trinity, divinity of Christ, and Incarnation;
-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith pertaining to Jesus as Christ;
-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith regarding the virginity of Mary, mother of Jesus;
-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about both Transubstantiation and Mass;
claiming the existence of a plurality of worlds and their eternity;
-believing in metempsychosis and in the transmigration of the human soul into brutes, and;
dealing in magics and divination.

His trial was overseen by the Inquisitor Cardinal Bellarmine, who demanded a full recantation, which Bruno eventually refused. Instead he appealed in vain to Pope Clement VIII, hoping to save his life through a partial recantation. The Pope expressed himself in favor of a guilty verdict, recommending a sentence of death. He was quickly turned over to the secular authorities and, on February 17, 1600 in the Campo de' Fiori, a central Roman market square, "his tongue imprisoned because of his wicked words" he was burned at the stake. His ashes were dumped into the Tiber river.

What's intriguing about this is the Church's stand 3 centuries later...

In the years since Bruno's execution, the Vatican has published few official statements about the matter. In 1942, Cardinal Mercati, who discovered the lost documents relating to Bruno's trial, stated that the Church was perfectly justified in condemning Bruno. Later, on the 400th anniversary of Bruno's death, Cardinal Angelo Sodano declared Bruno's death to be a "sad episode" but, despite his regret, he defended Bruno's prosecutors, maintaining that the Inquisitors were "motivated by the desire to serve the truth and promote the common good, also doing their utmost to save his life" by trying to convince him to recant and subsequently by appealing the capital punishment with the secular authorities of Rome.

[ghosthunter]

I believe that man was created by God.

We need to understand that the written accounts in Genesis summarize it in prose (ordinary form) to illustrate what happened chronologically. The "days" as in the first day, or second day, etc., is not to say that God created the heavens and the earth in 24-hour periods, it is just there to illustrate that in the beginning he first created the heavens and the earth, until he created man on the "6th day." It is more for us to understand the logic of how He created the world. The timeline could have been a thousand, or a billion years, but nonetheless, I am convinced that He created all things.

It also means that if you believe God created "man", it means "man" is created in his current form we see today and has not and will not change through time.

Am I correct in how you would view it?

[zap.FREEDOM]

Though the Church do accepts scientific studies and facts, they do it with a lot of resevations. The Church persecuted and sometimes executed early scientists when they present findings contradictory to Church doctrine...best example is Galileo.





Here's another guy who discovered that the Earth revolved around the Sun...



What's intriguing about this is the Church's stand 3 centuries later...

when I was in Hong Kong, may naka-usap ako Hudyo (JEWS) sabi nila may mali daw talaga sa katolisismo, wew, Hudyo na yun a,..nakakakilabot.

[Gerbo]

When we talk of RELIGION, do not mistake FAITH as the CHURCH.

[marg]

The Christian faith does not deny the value of science. In fact, it also allows science to corroborate the existence of a God. So I don't know why you're trying to pit science and faith against each other.

The BIGGEST LIE in History.

Just search Copernicus, Bruno, Galileo, Descartes, Newton, Halley, Darwin.

Charles Darwin knew that his revolutionary theories on natural selection would invite the full fury of the Christian world. He therefore delayed publishing his theory for over 20 years, agonizing over the decision of whether or not to publish. His hand was forced in 1858, when he learned that the naturalist Alfred Wallace was about to publish the same theory. His fears proved true -- the reaction from the Church was shock, disappointment and anger. The world-wide attacks on his character, theories and personal life are common knowledge now, but he was saved from physical harm for two reasons. First, nearly the entire scientific community was quick to see the soundness of his theories, and rallied immediately to his defense. Second, the age of the Inquisition and other torture-based persecutions had finally passed.

Quint, you are BLIND and in DENIAL.

[Monseratto]

Your faith is taught or passed on to you by who? Who gives guidance to your faith? Paano pagmali ang tinuro nila?

[uls]

posted by Monseratto:

Giordano Bruno (1548 – February 17, 1600), born Filippo Bruno, was an Italian Dominican friar, philosopher, mathematician and astronomer. His cosmological theories went beyond the Copernican model in proposing that the Sun was essentially a star, and moreover, that the universe contained an infinite number of inhabited worlds populated by other intelligent beings. He was burned at the stake by civil authorities in 1600 after the Roman Inquisition found him guilty of heresy for his pantheism and turned him over to the state, which at that time considered heresy illegal. After his death he gained considerable fame; in the 19th and early 20th centuries, commentators focusing on his astronomical beliefs regarded him as a martyr for free thought and modern scientific ideas.

The numerous charges against Bruno, based on some of his books as well as on witness accounts, included blasphemy, immoral conduct, and heresy in matters of dogmatic theology, and involved some of the basic doctrines of his philosophy and cosmology. Luigi Firpo lists these charges made against Bruno by the Roman Inquisition:

-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith and speaking against it and its ministers;
-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about the Trinity, divinity of Christ, and Incarnation;
-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith pertaining to Jesus as Christ;
-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith regarding the virginity of Mary, mother of Jesus;
-holding opinions contrary to the Catholic faith about both Transubstantiation and Mass;
claiming the existence of a plurality of worlds and their eternity;
-believing in metempsychosis and in the transmigration of the human soul into brutes, and;
dealing in magics and divination.

so tama yung flowchart

[DigitalAnalog]

Take love. Its hard to measure it. But we know that when a person spends more time with someone, serves him or her, is affectionate towards the other, we know that there is the presence of love. We can see it, but we can't measure it. The empirical evidence is there but how do we quantify that?

Falling in ‘love’ is an evolutionary trait. Parents who stay together long enough to support their offspring tend to dominate the evolutionary timeline.

Now is it random or design? Sometimes it is, sometimes its not. Some "fall" (random) in love. Some are more choosy. Some like them boobsy, some like them leggy, some like them fat. No one in his random mind would choose a labrador, a chicken, or a snake to fall in love with and procreate, right? Now that, is design.

We don’t tend to fall in love with other species because those who did never got along far enough in the evolutionary timeline for us to observe that characteristic in modern humans.

[uls]

genes that are disadvantageous for the survival of the species get eliminated from the gene pool

those with bad genes don't have offspring to pass on their genes

if you had genes that caused you to be attracted to chicken, you won't produce offspring

if you had genes that caused you NOT to want to mate, you won't produce offspring

eventually you die and your defective genes are eliminated from the species

leaving genes that make the species get attracted to the same species and make the species want to mate

all organisms existing at present are what remain of nature's elimination process

but this is NOT an end-result

evolution is an ongoing process

evolution doesnt stop

evolution has no end-goal

it just happens

[Monseratto]

Charles Darwin knew that his revolutionary theories on natural selection would invite the full fury of the Christian world. He therefore delayed publishing his theory for over 20 years, agonizing over the decision of whether or not to publish. His hand was forced in 1858, when he learned that the naturalist Alfred Wallace was about to publish the same theory. His fears proved true -- the reaction from the Church was shock, disappointment and anger. The world-wide attacks on his character, theories and personal life are common knowledge now, but he was saved from physical harm for two reasons. First, nearly the entire scientific community was quick to see the soundness of his theories, and rallied immediately to his defense. Second, the age of the Inquisition and other torture-based persecutions had finally passed.