What Will Be The Difference In Our Lives If We Dont Believe In God?

[Quint]

There are more Atheist who have better moral values than many Christians... Believing in the Christian God doesn't make you any superior over your fellow men.

Many Christians practice those acts you mentioned. Just read the newspapers...

Perhaps you can elaborate on the atheist people or nations you mentioned?

There are a lot of so-called Christian nations that have been secularized and unfortunately degenerated to Christian-by-name nations. We can bash them altogether. Lets start with Spain, Portugal, Brazil, Mexico, etc...All poor, corrupt, overpopulated. Now lets go to the once in glorious positions i.e. US. And then there's Western Europe where over 40% of the Christian church buildings are now occupied by Muslims. Yeah, you heard it right. The Muslims are taking over. Can we still say they're Christian?

The London lootings that happened recently, do we think that they were perpetrated by Christians? Last time I heard, the British called their religion football. They're not Christian.

Err...is the Philippines, where the church dominates everythiing; doing any better than it's neighbour like Thailand? Just go to any goverment agency and see the rampant corruption there...Christian values?

Does our church really dominate everything? Do they have a say in your taxes, in your gas, in your food, in what you study, watch on TV? I think that you'll agree with me that its a bit exaggerated, don't you think? In fact, I think its the opposite. They're so uninvolved that society run amok and had its way with all the corruption, the lewdness, the poor and uneducated.

I do agree with you that we're not faring better than Thailand, nor Vietnam, nor our other neighbors in many things. But then again that's because I believe (and I think you'll agree with me) that most Pinoys don't put their beliefs where their mouths are, but more importantly, our deeds! We can be easily bought, swayed, or simply don't fight for what is right and good. Otherwise, we would have been one of the strongest nations in Asia by now. Too bad, we're not. I feel your pain...

[hein]

Catholic Pinoys eating Garbage. So what values do these people have?



Corruption, murders, lewdness, chaos, and destruction? I think the Christian Filipinos have completed the checklist.

P$#^%^A. Kadiri. Animal existence na ito.

Even the atheist Vietnamese don't live like this.

[Monseratto]

So a nation that adopts a secular stance or religious tolerance is bound to fall into disarray. Only a nation that adopts a pure Aryan...este Christian faith will enter the glorious arms of God and only then will be prosperous? Scary... So let's gather up all the Jews, Gypsies and sub humans and put them in Concentration camps...

There are a lot of so-called Christian nations that have been secularized and unfortunately degenerated to Christian-by-name nations. We can bash them altogether. Lets start with Spain, Portugal, Brazil, Mexico, etc...All poor, corrupt, overpopulated. Now lets go to the once in glorious positions i.e. US. And then there's Western Europe where over 40% of the Christian church buildings are now occupied by Muslims. Yeah, you heard it right. The Muslims are taking over. Can we still say they're Christian?

Gee, so being a Christian won't make you any better than an atheist. Believing in God won't stop you from stealing, lie, cheat or kill others. So what's the point of having religion if you don't practice it in reality like MOST do as YOU pointed out? Read ULS back post...

Does our church really dominate everything? Do they have a say in your taxes, in your gas, in your food, in what you study, watch on TV? I think that you'll agree with me that its a bit exaggerated, don't you think? In fact, I think its the opposite. They're so uninvolved that society run amok and had its way with all the corruption, the lewdness, the poor and uneducated.

I do agree with you that we're not faring better than Thailand, nor Vietnam, nor our other neighbors in many things. But then again that's because I believe (and I think you'll agree with me) that [size=2]most Pinoys [/size]don't put their beliefs where their mouths are, but more importantly, our deeds! We can be easily bought, swayed, or simply don't fight for what is right and good. Otherwise, we would have been one of the strongest nations in Asia by now. Too bad, we're not. I feel your pain...

[foresterx]

Proof?

Look at America today. If you read their history and look at who wrote their Constitution, their Bill of Rights, it was composed of mostly Christians (53 of 56 IIRC). The qualification of a leader then was that he must be God-fearing. In short, America's very foundations were built on Christian values.

But what happened to them? Why did such a great nation deteriorate into what it is today?

You do realize that they are still the most powerfull country today do you? They've been through 2 deppressions already and still became the most powerfull country after that. What's happening to their economy now is nothing compared to what happened to thm back then. Their economy right now is still far better compared to more than half of the countries in the world.

[uls]

Assuming that these other homo species indeed existed,

assuming they existed? amazing. believers will deny scientific evidence when it becomes inconvenient to their beliefs

and using the same "survival of the fittest position" that you're taking, weren't these creatures "designed" to be adaptors of their time much like us humans designed an SUV for off-road and a supercar for street use? Is it really random selection, or is it more like planned variation so that the species will be guaranteed to survive?

just coz a species adapted in the past doesnt mean it will always succeed in adapting as the world around them changes

eventually they (those non-homo sapiens) failed

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Dangerous TB spreading at alarming rate in Europe-WHO

LONDON, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Multidrug-resistant and extensively drug-resistant forms of tuberculosis (TB) are spreading at an alarming rate in Europe and will kill thousands unless health authorities halt the pandemic, the World Health Organisation(WHO) said on Wednesday.

Cases of multidrug-resistant (MDR-TB) and extensively drug-resistant TB (XDR-TB) -- where the infections are resistant to first-line and then second-line antibiotic treatments -- are spreading fast, with about 440,000 new patients every year around the world.

Treating even normal TB is a long and unpleasant process, with patients needing to take a combination of powerful antibiotics for 6 months. Many patients fail to correctly complete the course of medicines, a factor which has fueled a rise in drug-resistant forms of the disease.

Treatment regimes for MDR-TB and XDR-TB can stretch into two or more years, costing up to $16,000 in drugs alone and up to $200,000 to $300,000 per patient if isolation hospital costs, medical care and other resources are taken into account.

bacteria develop antibiotic resistance

is it random mutation OR intentional deliberate planned intelligent creation?

so God created drug resistant TB to punish man for making antibiotics that kill His original TB?

bacteria population strain XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXOXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

strain O is genetic mutation

antibiotic effective only against strain X

kills strain X

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOZOOOOOOOOOOOO

strain O becomes dominant strain

strain Z is genetic mutation

switch to antibiotic effective against strain O

kills strain O

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZYZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

strain Z becomes dominant strain

strain Y is genetic mutation

switch to antibiotic effective against strain Z

should i do this again?

that's why there are drug resistant bacteria

random mutation makes more sense to me

[ess]

Assuming that these other homo species indeed existed, and using the same "survival of the fittest position" that you're taking, weren't these creatures "designed" to be adaptors of their time much like us humans designed an SUV for off-road and a supercar for street use? Is it really random selection, or is it more like planned variation so that the species will be guaranteed to survive?

So following your line of reasoning, a supreme being designed the Neanderthals to be short stocky, hairy, slow, but incredibly strong in order to survive the Ice Age. They didn't have to be fast since their food source were slow lumbering mastodons. But they had to be strong. Then when the Ice Age ended, the same supreme being released a new design -- Cro Magnon -- to be smarter, agile, less hairy to be able to survive the warmer climate. They had to be fast and smart because the mastodons died out and they had to hunt faster, more dangerous prey.

Why the need to re-design?

You said that the supreme being designed the humans to adapt and survive the the present climate. So if the present climate is the Ice Age, then great -- the Neanderthals were perfect.

So why the need to end the ice age when the supreme being knows that this would have killed off the Neanderthals?

Nagsawa ba siya sa Neanderthals? (Humans v1.0?) Gusto na niya i-wipe out yung Humans v1.0 tapos mag install ng Cro Magnons (Humans v2.0)?

[Quint]

So a nation that adopts a secular stance or religious tolerance is bound to fall into disarray. Only a nation that adopts a pure Aryan...este Christian faith will enter the glorious arms of God and only then will be prosperous? Scary... So let's gather up all the Jews, Gypsies and sub humans and put them in Concentration camps...

Lets go back to the question of what will be the difference if we don't believe in God...

If we look at the current times, its probably easy to agree with you and say, yes, the secular system is working well. Singapore is doing well, the US used to do very well, and as well as other "secular" countries. But then again, probably except for Singapore, US and Europe's foundations are also Christian. But the question is, how long can this secular system last? I think that its a matter of perspective.

If our perspective is limited to our current lifetime, then we can all agree that what you're saying is probably true. However, I'm not only looking at this lifetime. I'm looking beyond ours, and looking at the difference of what a God-believing people will be different compared to a non-believing race throughout generations.

Look at the Roman empire, and the former USSR, and we can see that these secular systems failed eventually. But I'm sure that they had better times. China probably saw what was coming and so adopted a semi-democratic system (a democracy is Christian in nature may I add) in order to survive. But is it sustainable?

Gee, so being a Christian won't make you any better than an atheist. Believing in God won't stop you from stealing, lie, cheat or kill others. So what's the point of having religion if you don't practice it in reality like MOST do as YOU pointed out? Read ULS back post...

My point is if you don't practice what you preach, then I don't think you should be called or claim to be called Christian. So lets not use it as we all know that most Pinoys, though Catholics, are non-practicing.

[uls]

So following your line of reasoning, a supreme being designed the Neanderthals to be short stocky, hairy, slow, but incredibly strong in order to survive the Ice Age. They didn't have to be fast since their food source were slow lumbering mastodons. But they had to be strong. Then when the Ice Age ended, the same supreme being released a new design -- Cro Magnon -- to be smarter, agile, less hairy to be able to survive the warmer climate. They had to be fast and smart because the mastodons died out and they had to hunt faster, more dangerous prey.

Why the need to re-design?

You said that the supreme being designed the humans to adapt and survive the the present climate. So if the present climate is the Ice Age, then great -- the Neanderthals were perfect.

So why the need to end the ice age when the supreme being knows that this would have killed off the Neanderthals?

Nagsawa ba siya sa Neanderthals? (Humans v1.0?) Gusto na niya i-wipe out yung Humans v1.0 tapos mag install ng Cro Magnons (Humans v2.0)?

now you have to wonder kailan magsasawa si God sa homo sapiens hehe

[ess]

now you have to wonder kailan magsasawa si God sa homo sapiens

Baka nagsawa na nga. May design flaw ata eh. Madami nang false Christians na Homo Sapiens.

[Monseratto]

So you do agree that under present circumstances, a "God fearing" nation tends to do poorly compared to a secular or religiously tolerant one. =) The trend through history is people will continue to question their religion, not blind obedience. So don't be sad if there are fewer "true" christians in the generations to come...

Lets go back to the question of what will be the difference if we don't believe in God...

If we look at the [size=2]current times[/size], its probably easy to agree with you and say, yes, the secular system is working well. Singapore is doing well, the US used to do very well, and as well as other "secular" countries. But then again, probably except for Singapore, US and Europe's foundations are also Christian. But the question is, how long can this secular system last? I think that its a matter of perspective.

If our perspective is limited to our [size=2]current lifetime[/size], then we can all agree that what you're saying is probably true. However, I'm not only looking at this lifetime. I'm looking beyond ours, and looking at the difference of what a God-believing people will be different compared to a non-believing race throughout generations.

So the tag "the only Roman Catholic nation in Asia" is only in name. As non-practicing Catholics with christian values, most Filipinos are no better than your view of an atheist.

My point is if you don't practice what you preach, then I don't think you should be called or claim to be called Christian. So lets not use it as we all know that most Pinoys, though Catholics, are non-practicing.