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    #261
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    kaya di nila ma-grasp ang evolution

    coz to them the universe was created in 6 days

    and they say, para kay God, 1 day = 1,000 years

    so to them the universe is only 6,000 years old

    kaya di nila ma-explain ang geologic time:



    ^^^

    o nga pala questionable yan. kasi wala sa Bible
    Evolution is a theory which means not proven. So ask yourself why do you believe on that? Where as intelligent design is everywhere seen on the universe above, here on earth and all living things. Meaning, they have an intelligent designer, a creator.

    Many scientists unhesitatingly declare their belief in a Creator. Although some have broad and vague ideas about who God is, they still agree that the evidence points to an intelligent Designer. Note the following comments:


    “ As a scientist, I look at the world around me, and observe engineering mechanisms of such remarkable complexity that I am drawn to the conclusion of intelligent design being behind such complex order. ”
    —ANDREW MCINTOSH, MATHEMATICIAN, WALES, UNITED KINGDOM

    “ The complexity of nature clearly points to a Creator. Every biological and physical system, once understood, shows incredible complexity. ”
    —JOHN K. G. KRAMER, BIOCHEMIST, CANADA


    “ The order of the living world is plainly evident. It was set up by a superior Power that I personally call God. It is here that faith agrees with scientific truth. Far from contradicting it, it completes it, providing a simpler understanding of our universe. ”
    —JEAN DORST, BIOLOGIST, FRANCE


    “ I cannot imagine the universe and human life without an intelligent beginning, without a source of spiritual 'warmth' that lies beyond matter and its laws. ”
    —ANDREY DMITRIYEVICH SAKHAROV, NUCLEAR PHYSICIST, RUSSIA


    “ Each animal is in some way uniquely designed to suit its particular environment, and I cannot help but attribute the complexity of the design to a Creator, rather than to random evolutionary forces. ”
    —BOB HOSKEN, BIOCHEMIST, AUSTRALIA

    There are many misconceptions with regards to Creation stated in Genesis. The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.

    Geologists estimate that the earth is approximately 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science does not disprove the Biblical text.

    What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. (Exodus 20:11) Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?

    No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” (Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.

    How long, then, were the creative days? The wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.

    What's the basis of geologic time? Here's what Dr ANDREW MCINTOSH (MATHEMATICIAN) said on an interiview:

    "Something’s wrong with the radioactive dating method. They’ve dated New Zealand volcanic lava which we know flowed last century and the result says it hardened millions of years ago [see the technical article: The Cause Of Anomalous Potassium-Argon “Ages” for recent andesite flows at Mt. Ngauruhoe, New Zealand, and the Implications for Potassium-Argon “Dating”]. The same occurred with the lava dome that’s formed at Mt St Helens since the 1980 eruption [see the technical article: Excess Argon within Mineral Concentrates from the New Dacite Lava Dome at Mt St Helens volcano]. We can’t trust the methods—the assumptions behind them are clearly shaky. It’s a shame that some Christians today are being pressurised into doubting the Word of God, which is infallible, because of these fallible methods." - Dr Macintosh

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    #262
    Quote Originally Posted by samcoy View Post
    Evolution is a theory which means not proven. So ask yourself why do you believe on that? Where as intelligent design is everywhere seen on the universe above, here on earth and all living things. Meaning, they have an intelligent designer, a creator.

    Many scientists unhesitatingly declare their belief in a Creator. Although some have broad and vague ideas about who God is, they still agree that the evidence points to an intelligent Designer. Note the following comments:


    “ As a scientist, I look at the world around me, and observe engineering mechanisms of such remarkable complexity that I am drawn to the conclusion of intelligent design being behind such complex order. ”
    —ANDREW MCINTOSH, MATHEMATICIAN, WALES, UNITED KINGDOM

    “ The complexity of nature clearly points to a Creator. Every biological and physical system, once understood, shows incredible complexity. ”
    —JOHN K. G. KRAMER, BIOCHEMIST, CANADA


    “ The order of the living world is plainly evident. It was set up by a superior Power that I personally call God. It is here that faith agrees with scientific truth. Far from contradicting it, it completes it, providing a simpler understanding of our universe. ”
    —JEAN DORST, BIOLOGIST, FRANCE


    “ I cannot imagine the universe and human life without an intelligent beginning, without a source of spiritual 'warmth' that lies beyond matter and its laws. ”
    —ANDREY DMITRIYEVICH SAKHAROV, NUCLEAR PHYSICIST, RUSSIA


    “ Each animal is in some way uniquely designed to suit its particular environment, and I cannot help but attribute the complexity of the design to a Creator, rather than to random evolutionary forces. ”
    —BOB HOSKEN, BIOCHEMIST, AUSTRALIA

    There are many misconceptions with regards to Creation stated in Genesis. The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.

    Geologists estimate that the earth is approximately 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science does not disprove the Biblical text.

    What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. (Exodus 20:11) Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?

    No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” (Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.

    How long, then, were the creative days? The wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.

    What's the basis of geologic time? Here's what Dr ANDREW MCINTOSH (MATHEMATICIAN) said on an interiview:

    "Something’s wrong with the radioactive dating method. They’ve dated New Zealand volcanic lava which we know flowed last century and the result says it hardened millions of years ago [see the technical article: The Cause Of Anomalous Potassium-Argon “Ages” for recent andesite flows at Mt. Ngauruhoe, New Zealand, and the Implications for Potassium-Argon “Dating”]. The same occurred with the lava dome that’s formed at Mt St Helens since the 1980 eruption [see the technical article: Excess Argon within Mineral Concentrates from the New Dacite Lava Dome at Mt St Helens volcano]. We can’t trust the methods—the assumptions behind them are clearly shaky. It’s a shame that some Christians today are being pressurised into doubting the Word of God, which is infallible, because of these fallible methods." - Dr Macintosh
    Who are those guys?

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    #263
    :popcorn: time na naman ah.
    Fasten your seatbelt! Or else... Driven To Thrill!

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    #264
    Evolution is a theory which means not proven. So ask yourself why do you believe on that?
    coz evolution makes more sense to me than some supernatural being "creating" the universe

    evidence of evolution is everywhere

    Where as intelligent design is everywhere seen on the universe above, here on earth and all living things. Meaning, they have an intelligent designer, a creator.
    no. i don't see intelligent design anywhere

    i dont see the work of a supernatural being when i look at the sky, when i look at plants and animals

    i see randomness

    you see intelligent design coz that's what you wanna see

    the same way when something good happens to you, you believe it's reward from God. and when something bad happens to you, you believe it's punishment (or trial) from God

    that's what you wanna believe

    it's psychology

    i don't see things the way you do coz my view isnt clouded by some past indoctrination

    i believe things just happen

    when good and bad things happen to me, well, things happened

    neither reward nor punishment

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    #265
    in cultures that believe in reincarnation, there are always stories of children who know things they're not supposed to know unless they're the reincarnation of somebody else

    why is it that happens only in places where people believe in reincarnation?

    it's psychology. that's what they wanna believe

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    #266
    Pahingi nga ng popcorn diyan

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    #267
    Quote Originally Posted by samcoy View Post
    Evolution is a theory which means not proven. So ask yourself why do you believe on that? Where as intelligent design is everywhere seen on the universe above, here on earth and all living things. Meaning, they have an intelligent designer, a creator.

    Many scientists unhesitatingly declare their belief in a Creator. Although some have broad and vague ideas about who God is, they still agree that the evidence points to an intelligent Designer.

    There are many misconceptions with regards to Creation stated in Genesis. The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) Bible scholars agree that this verse describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening statement, the universe, including our planet Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.

    Geologists estimate that the earth is approximately 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science does not disprove the Biblical text.

    What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. (Exodus 20:11) Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?

    No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” (Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.

    How long, then, were the creative days? The wording of Genesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.

    What's the basis of geologic time? Here's what Dr ANDREW MCINTOSH (MATHEMATICIAN) said on an interiview:

    "Something’s wrong with the radioactive dating method. They’ve dated New Zealand volcanic lava which we know flowed last century and the result says it hardened millions of years ago [see the technical article: The Cause Of Anomalous Potassium-Argon “Ages” for recent andesite flows at Mt. Ngauruhoe, New Zealand, and the Implications for Potassium-Argon “Dating”]. The same occurred with the lava dome that’s formed at Mt St Helens since the 1980 eruption [see the technical article: Excess Argon within Mineral Concentrates from the New Dacite Lava Dome at Mt St Helens volcano]. We can’t trust the methods—the assumptions behind them are clearly shaky. It’s a shame that some Christians today are being pressurised into doubting the Word of God, which is infallible, because of these fallible methods." - Dr Macintosh
    WOW, there are still believers in Creation in the 21st Century?

    Parang bumalik tayo sa Dark Ages.

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    #268
    There are Cpnservative Christians who still believe the bible is all knowing, just like there are some extremist muslims who still believe women are inferior to men. No difference in reasoning. Sayang lang yung oras natin arguing with them. Only Uls is making it interesting....

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    #269
    “ Each animal is in some way uniquely designed to suit its particular environment, and I cannot help but attribute the complexity of the design to a Creator, rather than to random evolutionary forces. ”
    —BOB HOSKEN, BIOCHEMIST, AUSTRALIA
    that's the stupidest thing i've ever read

    animals are NOT "designed" to suit particular environments

    animals ADAPT to their environment

    they either adapt and survive and reproduce or they die out

    animals you find living in a particular environment right now, they are the survivors

    remains of extinct animals are evidence of those that failed to adapt

    all species alive today are survivors

    the earth is a dynamic place

    100,000 years from now the earth will be a very different place

    descendants of species alive today will either adapt to the changing earth or die out

    it's not design

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    #270
    why are there white people and black people?

    design? bullsh*t

    origin:

    near equator -- strong sunlight

    genetic mutation that caused dark skin -- favorable trait -- dark skin protects against UV (high survival rate)

    genetic mutation that caused light skin -- unfavorable trait -- prone to skin cancer (low survival rate)

    dark skin = survival advantage over light skin near equator

    dark skin humans survived longer, higher reproductive rate, pass on genes

    dark skin becomes dominant trait in places near equator

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    humans that left africa and settled in places far from the equator

    dark skin -- unfavorable trait -- low sunlight + dark skin = low vitamin D (low survival rate)

    genetic mutation that caused light skin -- favorable trait -- better sunlight absorption -- better vitamin D production = higher survival rate

    natural selection in human species living in places far from equator -- people with light skin survived longer, higher reproductive rate, pass on genes

    light skin becomes dominant trait in places far from equator

    design?

    bullsh*t

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