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    and I've read somewhere that, they already remove PH govt to represent them in sabah claims...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453 View Post
    A better question would be why didn't GMA's administration initiate a case in the ICJ for its claim in Sabah during those 9 years instead of filing an intervention in a case over territory that it doesn't even claim?

    Malaysia and Indonesia were well within their rights to reject the PH's motion to intervene as there was no claim of the PH under dispute. Moreover, whatever decision the ICJ could've rendered will have a limited effect on the PH claim to Sabah, if at all.
    A good question deserves a good answer. Under our history, who is the first president of the philippines initiated to file a claim dispute over the sabah? cory?ramos?estrada? pnoy? Gma?none of the above.It was President Diosdado Macapagal who initiated the filing of the Philippine claim on Sabah in 1961.but In August 4, 1977, Marcos announced that the Philippines was giving up its claim to Sabah in order “to eliminate of the burdens of ASEAN.” Republic Act No. 5446 enacted in 1968 was never repealed, and its Section 2 says:

    The definition of the baselines of the territorial sea of the Philippine Archipelago as provided in this Act is without prejudice to the delineation of the baselines of the territorial sea around the territory of Sabah, situated in North Borneo, over which the Republic of the Philippines has acquired dominion and sovereignty.” (Emphasis mine).

    A dormant claim? Mr. Aquino and his spokespersons are demonstrating such scandalous level of ignorance about such an important issue.
    In 13 March 2001, about two months in office, president Gloria Arroyo’s government filed a petition to intervene at the proceedings of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) on the territorial dispute over the islands of Pulau Ligitan and Pulau Sipadan between Indonesia and Malaysia. (Yes, that’s the island where the Abu Sayyaf kidnapped foreign tourists in 2000.)

    What’s the basis of the Philippines attempt to intervene in the case? Two of the reasons our country cited in the suit:

    “[a] First, to preserve and safeguard the historical and legal rights of the government of the Republic of the Philippines arising from its claim to dominion and sovereignty over the territory of North Borneo, to the extent that these rights are affected, or may be affected, by a determination of the court of the question of sovereignty over Pulau Ligitan and Pulau Sipadan.

    “[b] Second, to intervene in the proceedings in order to inform the Honorable Court of the nature and extent of the historical and legal rights of the Republic of the Philippines which may be affected by the court’s decision.In Aug. 20, 2008, Mrs. Arroyo issued “Guidelines on matters pertaining to North Borneo (Sabah)” which said that all official activity related to Sabah should have Department of Foreign Affairs clearance. In July 16, 2011, a Supreme Court upheld the baseline law, noting that the Philippine claim over Sabah is retained and can be pursued. Legally speaking under international law,before the ICJ could acquire jurisdiction over the case, consent of the parties is needed and only the states may be parties in cases before it. Here both parties indonesia and malaysia consented to bring the disputed sabah/ north borneo case to the ICJ. Upon the assumption of office of GMA,the philippine gov't initiated and filed intervention case on the grounds that PHILIPPINES has a VALID CLAIM against SABAH/ North borneo. The ICJ ACKNOWLEDGE All of the arguments and evidence presented to the ICJ . Even though the PHILIPPINES was rejected to intervene as a "NON-PARTY" again as a "NON-PARTY"

    The Philippines did not lose totally because:

    1. “Each one of the arguments made by the Philippines, and specifically opposed or objected to by Malaysia and Indonesia, was upheld by the Court in our favor. Our ARGUMENTS on matters of procedure or substance were UPHELD because they were SUPERIOR to the counter-arguments of Malaysia and Indonesia.

    2. As a bonus, we have put on record a territorial claim to North Borneo, and the Court has assured us that it will NOT do anything that will prejudice this historic claim.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    and I've read somewhere that, they already remove PH govt to represent them in sabah claims...
    I beg to disagree.Why did the Philippines get rejected to INTERVENE in the FIRST PLACE?

    Answer:

    That the absence of jurisdictional link between the Philippines and the Parties to the main case (Malaysia and Indonesia) is not a ground
    for disqualifying the Philippines from intervention. The ICJ recognized that the Philippines sought to intervene as a non-party and therefore does not require such jurisdictional link.

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    Now you know!

    The Philippines PETITION was REJECTED because THE PHILIPPINES SOUGHT TO INTERVENE as a "NON-PARTY" again as a "NON-PARTY"

    and NOT AS A "CLAIMANT" like Malaysia and Indonesia!

    BUT even though the Philippines got rejected as a "NON-PARTY", THE COURT ASSURED THE PHILIPPINES CLAIM WILL "NOT BE AFFECTED" BY THEIR DECISION....

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    meron pa pala naniniwala na this is about territory....tapalan lang ng pera mga kirams tatahimik na mga yan...

    kirams started this mess let them clean it on their own...

    sila-sila nga hinde magkasundo eh...ayusin muna nila buhay nila, huwag na nila damay buong pilipinas..pwe!
    Last edited by shadow; March 16th, 2013 at 11:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Again, 10 yrs of GMA, why didn't they follow as well?
    Now 3.5 yrs into pnoy administration you're asking why this administration didn't follow it up?

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    Pnoy has all the documents and evidence to show that the philippines has the right against sabah.Lastly im just wondering again,why pnoy didn't included the sabah claim in his "Framework agreement on the Bangsamoro"?
    Last edited by Tj_abs; March 16th, 2013 at 11:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    meron pa pala naniniwala na this is about territory....tapalan lang ng pera mga kirams tatahimik na mga yan...

    kirams started this mess let them clean it on their own...

    sila-sila nga hinde magkasundo eh...ayusin muna nila buhay nila, huwag na nila damay buong pilipinas..pwe!
    The SULTAN of SULU transferred all his territories to the REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES including SABAH.

    By doing that, the PHILIPPINES has now the POWER and all LEGAL RIGHTS to claim SABAH.

    The SULTAN of SULU, his relatives, and the suluks/tausugs described SABAH as

    not only TAUSUG'S territory but also ALL FILIPINO'S territory!

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    Now 3.5 yrs into pnoy administration you're asking why this administration didn't follow it up? – The contents of the letter that Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III sent to President Benigno Aquino III just weeks AFTER his INAGURATION in 2010, and which Aquino ADMITTED got "LOST in the bureaucratic maze," was revealed by the sultanate as the Philippine government drew fire both for its OFFICIAL NEGLECT and for sounding more like Malaysia’s ally in the Sabah crisis.

    In the letter, the sultan was offering to provide inputs on the long-drawn search for comprehensive peace in Muslim Mindanao, noting the sultanate’s relations with the two rebel groups MNLF and MILF. He was also seeking an audience with the President to talk about their claim to Sabah or North Borneo, which the sultanate leased to British merchants in 1878, but which the British government gave to Malaysia when its federation was created. The sultanate ceded its claim to the Philippine government so that it can stand a better chance of being pursued. the Kirams had said their group decided to pursue the Philippines’ claim to Sabah last month as they felt left out of the peace negotiations between the government and the MILF. The two sides had achieved strides last year, with the signing of a framework agreement for the establishment of a Bangsamoro juridical entity without even mentioning the sabah claims. (Okay, I thought they would say – the dog ate your letter.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tj_abs View Post
    The SULTAN of SULU transferred all his territories to the REPUBLIC OF THE PHILIPPINES including SABAH.

    By doing that, the PHILIPPINES has now the POWER and all LEGAL RIGHTS to claim SABAH.

    The SULTAN of SULU, his relatives, and the suluks/tausugs described SABAH as

    not only TAUSUG'S territory but also ALL FILIPINO'S territory!
    sadly, when they transferred the territorial claims of Sabah to RP, the documents they transferred including the sultan of Brunei documents pertaining to North Borneo transferring it to the sultan of Sulu, contracts/rent etc.,was destroyed by fire in the DFA. Mystically, only the room that contains those documents was destroyed by fire. (accdg to Atty Harry Roque).

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    Kasalanan na naman pal ni PNoy ito? hahaha

    Mga british nag-umpisa nito. Sila sisihin niyo bakit hindi agad nasa atin sabah.

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    Akala ko dati ung sabah is nasa sardinas lang heheh

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