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    #301
    Quote Originally Posted by badkuk View Post
    Ok, wag na natin pag usapan kung sino ang me rightful claim sa sabah.

    Let's say we got to war with Malaysia over Sabah, how do we do it? How do we defend against reprisals from Malaysia? How do you gain local support from the Sabah locals? What about logistics? Bear in mind there is a sea between Sabah and PH(or more accurately, the autonomous region), while Malaysians can basically walk into Sabah? Heck, they can park their artillery well within its undisputed borders and make a crater out of Sabah.

    One well-equipped Malaysian F18 can desttoy the entire PH Air Force..

    Air Superiority coupled with a Naval Blockade can choke off any logistical support from the PH to its soldiers in Sabah.

    Chances of the PH winning the war in Sabah: NEAR ZERO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badkuk View Post
    My question still stands: are you willing to fight, to die for sabah? If yes, good for you. In fact, why not join the "struggle"? You've talked the talk, now walk the walk.... If you don't, you're just part of the crowd na nanonood at nagmimiron, letting other people fight for your beliefs.

    Btw, we do care about what's happening in sabah. If we didn't this thread would have been ignored and forgotten. We are concerned how things may escalate and spread. We care about what will happen to our country, our families...coz the people who caused this mess obviously don't.

    If you consider not fighting for sabah un-nationalistic, then i say starting a war over it knowing full well your military's "strength", knowing the quality of the people you are fighting with, is not only strategically idiotic, it is irresponsible, sending men, your country's most precious resource, to certain death. You wanna martyr Filipino soldiers? I say you step up and lead by example.

    If by some miracle we do reclaim sabah through force...you think it will just stop there? It's easy to say forgive and forget, but in practice people seldom do. That's why wars go on for generations. That's why we should be careful in starting one.
    As a filipino from Luzon, pabayaan mo na sila. If the Kirams win, would they give a share sa government natin. It's a muslim vs. Muslim war, i say let them be. when they are at war with our soldiers, they call themselves Moro, when they at war with Malaysia, they call themselves Filipino wtf?

    If MNLF expands their operation in Malaysia, so be it. They say they were trained there to fight us some decades ago, and now they bite the hand that feeds 'em, then that only reveals their character. It also reveals they were once supported by Malaysia to have this war in our soil. So yun ang karma ng Malaysia, the cancer they produced it spread backfire.

    As modern Filipinos, we should not give in to this old ancient sultan title, if we do then we are also conceding to the ancient claim that China owns the west Philippine sea as well as Luzon.

    That's the old world, old kings die, even Chinese dynasties died, we shouldnt give a sh!t to this. If this sultanate leadership is a true leader then how come for so many hundreds of years, they werent able to provide a peaceful and progressing comminity for their own people.

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    If it so happens that they are pawns from a superpower entity / interest. Then let the powers that be do what they wanna do, they know better.

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    Btw, worst case scenario of this if the war between MNLF and malaysia escalates and thousands of mayalsians die. If they defeat the 10000 mnlf in sabah, Malaysia will force the Philippines to turn over ARMM to them in repartation, coz ARMM is the ruling body of MNLF. malaysia invades/occupied ARMM, a Philippine Sovereign land, then we are all forced to war.

    If we think hey why not just give armm to malaysia, they are all Muslims anyway. Who knows maybe 3 decades from now,Philippine Malaysian boundary will be Palawan na lang.

    But what can we do, these sort of thing happens in chechen russia, bosnia / serbia, nigeria even in pakistan china border. So yun na talaga ang truth ng buhay eh. Every border is a Jerusalem.

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    Paikot ikot may mga analysis pa military strength....sus kung sumusuporta kayo kay Kiram stop typing and start fighting....punta na sa airport at kuha na ng flight papuntang mindanao..then get to a boat going to sabah..geeez.

    Anyway....masarap ba sa IHOP? Lol

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    Nadali mo bro. Haha.

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    #307
    Quote Originally Posted by oliver1013 View Post
    Paikot ikot may mga analysis pa military strength....sus kung sumusuporta kayo kay Kiram stop typing and start fighting....punta na sa airport at kuha na ng flight papuntang mindanao..then get to a boat going to sabah..geeez.

    Anyway....masarap ba sa IHOP? Lol
    Walang IHOP sa Sabah. Hehe.

    Anyway, just reading the news earlier, pati tuloy yung mga Pinoy in Sabah/Malaysia nadamay even if they just want to move on forward with their own lives. Thats just some of the consequences of ill-advised adventures by a few.

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    ^their lives literally has stopped...

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    Marami kasi mga TNT na Tausug at Badjaos. Wala talaga silang proteksyon. Cheap labor force for the plantations of Malaysia. As usual, helpless si BS Aquino. Saan sila Casino at mga miltante?


    ZAMBOANGA CITY—“They dragged all the men outside the houses, kicked and hit them,” 32-year-old Amira Taradji said on Friday as she recounted her family’s ordeal in Sandakan, which started when Malaysian security forces launched a crackdown on suspected supporters of Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III in Sabah.

    Taradji said Malaysian policemen ordered Filipino men to run as fast as they could and shot them.

    Among those killed on Monday night during the police sweep of a Filipino community in Sandakan was her brother, Jumadil, she said.

    Taradji, who was originally from Calinan in Davao City, was among some 400 Filipinos who fled Lahad Datu, Sem****a, Tawau and Kunak in Sabah for Sulu as the violence sparked by the intrusion of the followers of Jamalul into the eastern Malaysian state spread at the start of the week.

    In other Philippine areas near Sabah, hundreds more have arrived since the police crackdown started and many more Filipinos are expected to return home anytime soon, according to government officials.

    Speaking to the INQUIRER by phone through the help of a Sulu local official shortly after arriving in Patikul town by a commercial vessel from Sabah late Friday, Taradji said the police sweeps had become dreadful for both Filipinos and Sabahans known as Orang Suluk (people who originated from Sulu).
    Taradji reported the arrest of Filipino men in Tawau and Kunak.

    Some of the arrested men, who showed immigration papers, were shot dead, she said, recounting reports by other Filipinos who fled Sabah with her.
    “Some of those arrested did not see jail because they were shot and killed,” Taradji said.

    She said those who had been locked up were also unlucky, as the Malaysian authorities were not feeding them.
    Extreme fear

    Taradji had lived in Sandakan since she was 6 years old and she was a holder of MyKad, the identification card issued to Malaysian citizens and permanent residents.

    She said that despite her and her family’s being holders of MyKad, they hastily abandoned their home when the police sweeps started Monday night.

    She said that from a distance, she saw how those caught during the raid suffered in the hands of Malaysian policemen.

    “We sailed from Sandakan to nearby islands. From one island to another, until we reached a small island where we took [an outrigger] for the Philippines. We begged hard so they would allow us into one of the [their boats],” she said.

    Carla Manlaw, 47, said the extreme fear of Malaysian policemen, with stories of abuses and killings, prompted her and other Filipinos to leave for Bongao in Tawi-Tawi.

    Manlaw and 99 others, including children and elderly people, reached Philippine waters in two motorboats after sailing for about two hours from Sandakan. They were intercepted and escorted by a Philippine Navy ship to Bongao late Friday.

    “My employer had no problem with having a Filipino worker. But what bothered me was the police,” she said.

    Manlaw said the other Filipinos in her boat fled because of fear. “What will they do to us?” she said, quoting her fellow refugees.

    She said that when she heard that a vessel was leaving for Bongao from Sandakan, she immediately grabbed her things and went for it.

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    Kiram on Aquino: He's not acting like a Filipino
    By Thea Alberto-Masakayan | Yahoo! Southeast Asia Newsroom – Fri, Mar 8, 2013

    For Sulu Sultan Jamalul Kiram III, President Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino III has failed the Filipino people when he chose to go with Malaysia in deciding on the Sabah crisis.

    The embattled 74-year-old Muslim leader also hit Aquino for "siding" with Malaysia instead of "hearing out" what his fellow Filipinos would say.....

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