Political ba or Sports & Hobbies?

**Auto_Xer** · August 21st, 2009 06:44 PM

http://www.filairsoft.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82734

In any case very disheartening how things went....

**ghosthunter** · August 21st, 2009 07:29 PM

PGMA and crew is afraid of public uprising?

**Auto_Xer** · August 22nd, 2009 11:34 AM

It's disheartening the way the people that the politicians who are suppose to protect the will of the people sidelined and railroaded the very people whose voice they are suppose to listen to when they study all sides before coming to a ideally reasonable resolution, that's upsetting.
If that's not upsetting, I don't know what is.

Quoted from the discussion on filairsoft:

"On our part, we prepared a lengthy position paper commenting on the flawed provisions of HB No. 6658 and were prepared for an oral discussion and questioning. Much to our dismay, none of the invited public or resource persons were allowed to speak or participate, as is the usual procedure in committee hearings before the House. Instead Congressman Chairman Rodolfo W. Antonino (Nueva Ecija) simply allowed a few short (irrelevant) comments from some committee members (who knew nothing about the bill) totalling about 20 minutes, then they moved to, and voted for, approval of the bill over our protestations.

Later that evening, I texted another congressman from that committee as to why it happened that way, he said, "That's a Malacanang-backed bill. The Office of the President made direct contact with the congressmen (not him) to approve that bill". Grrr..!

So now Malacanang, thru its dwarf President who is guilty of ordering and/or approving the extrajudicial killings and abductions of hundreds activists and journalists, is not hypocritically enact measures that would effectively disarm the general population and deprive us of our right to defend ourselves."

Asan na ang boses ng taong bayan sa pagkakataon na ito?

Who's to say that on other matters of more importance or that we hold dear that the same attitude won't be applied? That's what sucks.

Over 20 years since EDSA 1 and have things really changed?
I don't know the answer to that one perhaps you guys do.

**Auto_Xer** · August 22nd, 2009 11:36 AM

Here's the part that's questionable.

"2. If you are in a group and one of you is caught with a firearm or part thereof (with or without your knowledge) ALL OF YOU will be presumed to be in illegal possession of firearms, and shall be accordingly all charged."

The bill, according to the discussion there, has this provision which looks to be very open ended.
Guilty by association ba?
If your out in a group with newly introduced acquaintances who just happen to be carrying such items and he is accosted, then you'll be charged as well?
It leaves a very bad taste in ones mouth don't you think?

**jjmd3_787** · August 22nd, 2009 05:52 PM

Consider the following provisions of HB 6658:

1. Airsoft guns and all gas, spring operated pistols and rifles are now classified as TRUE FIREARMS, requiring licensing and Permit to carry just like regular firearms!

2. If you are in a group and one of you is caught with a firearm or part thereof (with or without your knowledge) ALL OF YOU will be presumed to be in illegal possession of firearms, and shall be accordingly all charged.

3. Penalties have been hugely INCREASED to Life Imprisonment for illegal possession and/or manufacture of firearms or light weapons, or 6-18 years for ammunition. "Ammunition" is defined, among others, to include BLANK AMMUNITION, and NOXIOUS LIQUID AND GAS??!!

4. "Light weapons" are now defined and prohibited, which includes any weapon capable of holding a DRUM magazine, which would include practically all semi-auto rifles, including rimfire 22's.

5. The crime of illegal possession of firearms shall now be considered as a SEPARATE AND DISTINCT penalty if any other crime is commmitted in the same act. So you could be charged TWICE for the same act and be slapped with TWO PENALTIES.

WTF?! ... nasan yung "fire" sa spring- & gas-operated weapons? Malabo yata yun? Siguro papayag ako sa provision pag lahat ng loose firearms sa Mindanao ay mahuli nila!!!

Tumataas ang hi-blood ko sa kanila e

**ghosthunter** · August 22nd, 2009 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Auto_Xer

Here's the part that's questionable.

"2. If you are in a group and one of you is caught with a firearm or part thereof (with or without your knowledge) ALL OF YOU will be presumed to be in illegal possession of firearms, and shall be accordingly all charged."

The bill, according to the discussion there, has this provision which looks to be very open ended.
Guilty by association ba?
If your out in a group with newly introduced acquaintances who just happen to be carrying such items and he is accosted, then you'll be charged as well?
It leaves a very bad taste in ones mouth don't you think?

So it is assumed you are guilty by fault of proximity & association until you are proven innocent by court of law.

That should be fun, give the glaciers at the north & south pole move faster than the courts of law in the Philippines.

**rai711** · August 22nd, 2009 07:43 PM

Hulihin na din nila pati water gun! grabe pera pera na naman. Ang mga mata ng gobyerno nag pe PESO sign.

Pag wala talaga alam sa batas hindi na dapat tumakbo, kung anu naiisip ginagawang batas. Ang holiday ginagawang ordinary day, ang hindi holiday nagiging holiday...hayz pati ba naman AEG true gun na? Mas mura airsoft, yan na lang ibigay nila sa mga PSG nya at sa mga body guards nila.

hindi nag iisip