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View Poll Results: Plea bargain agreement

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    #1
    Last edited by jansky; February 9th, 2011 at 12:01 PM.

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    maling mali yan.. unang una alam na nga na ninakaw yung pera sa AFP.. eh bakit kalahati lang yung binawi nila.. bakit hindi yung buong amount??

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    #3
    probably ung kalahati eh under the table para mas lalong mapababa ung kaso

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    #4
    the poll should be:

    1. execute garcia by firing squad
    2. execute garcia by hanging
    3. execute garcia by guilliotine

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    #5
    Quote Originally Posted by vito corleone View Post
    the poll should be:

    1. execute garcia by firing squad
    2. execute garcia by hanging
    3. execute garcia by guilliotine
    padagdag all of the above

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    In contrary to what others say, I am in favor of the plea bargain agreement.

    The problem with this issue is that the media and everyone else didn't follow the cases filed against Garcia when he was undergoing trial since 2004. It's only now that everyone's reacting, to think that no one really cared during the trial. Garcia even mentioned that there were barely anyone in the court room especially coming from the media all that time.

    As what the prosecutors themselves said, the evidences against Garcia was weak and not enough to convict him of the plunder. Not all those stuff testified by Heidi Mendoza and Rabusa recently in public are necessarily admissible as evidence, or considered as strong evidence in actual court against Garcia.

    Plunder is a complex crime and usually requires a whistleblower to make the case progress (like Chavit in Erap's case). Also, those "suppliers" who Garcia dealt with will not come out and testify for obvious reasons.

    Garcia had already been in jail for 6 years. He was even acquitted in the perjury case filed against him. Like what the prosecutors had said, if they pursued the current case, he may even end up getting acquitted from plunder.

    If you look at the case objectively, the plea bargain is in favor of the government since they'll be able to get P135M rather than lose the case altogether. Remember, the accused must be "guilty beyond reasonable doubt." In some countries, this is actually acceptable and would save time and resources for the government. It's just our culture that we'd rather see a guy rot in jail instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kotiko View Post
    In contrary to what others say, I am in favor of the plea bargain agreement.

    The problem with this issue is that the media and everyone else didn't follow the cases filed against Garcia when he was undergoing trial since 2004. It's only now that everyone's reacting, to think that no one really cared during the trial. Garcia even mentioned that there were barely anyone in the court room especially coming from the media all that time.

    As what the prosecutors themselves said, the evidences against Garcia was weak and not enough to convict him of the plunder. Not all those stuff testified by Heidi Mendoza and Rabusa recently in public are necessarily admissible as evidence, or considered as strong evidence in actual court against Garcia.

    Plunder is a complex crime and usually requires a whistleblower to make the case progress (like Chavit in Erap's case). Also, those "suppliers" who Garcia dealt with will not come out and testify for obvious reasons.

    Garcia had already been in jail for 6 years. He was even acquitted in the perjury case filed against him. Like what the prosecutors had said, if they pursued the current case, he may even end up getting acquitted from plunder.

    If you look at the case objectively, the plea bargain is in favor of the government since they'll be able to get P135M rather than lose the case altogether. Remember, the accused must be "guilty beyond reasonable doubt." In some countries, this is actually acceptable and would save time and resources for the government. It's just our culture that we'd rather see a guy rot in jail instead.
    well said.

    with plea bargain agreement, we are assured of Garcia's conviction for bribery and the 150M.

    plunder is hard to prove. just look at the law itself. the prosecution may have presented an expert witness, Heidi, but we have no other witness to corroborate her testimony, except when we ascertain who these john and jane does are.

    if they do otherwise, malilintikan din ang prosecution because the evidence may be enormous but they are insufficient to convict.

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    #8
    just stumbled on this on the internet

    2009 figures, the philippines ranked 64th in the world in military expenditures-- $ 1.4 B

    look at the other countries ranked near us, mukhang hindi tayo mananalo kapag nakipag-gyera tayo sa alin man sa kanila. . .kasi yung pera e di naman talaga napupunta sa militar


    58Ireland1,581,000,0000
    59Kazakhstan1,540,000,000
    60Sri Lanka1,525,000,000
    61Peru1,502,000,000
    62New Zealand1,447,000,000
    63Azerbaijan1,434,000,000
    64Philippines1,424,000,000
    65Lebanon1,408,000,000
    66Jordan1,392,000,000
    67Slovakia1,316,000,000
    68Yemen1,196,000,000
    69Croatia1,191,000,000
    70Bulgaria1,127,000,000

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    #9
    Quote Originally Posted by _Qwerty_ View Post
    maling mali yan.. unang una alam na nga na ninakaw yung pera sa AFP.. eh bakit kalahati lang yung binawi nila.. bakit hindi yung buong amount??
    i think because that's the only amount they have verified to have passed through Garcia. not all perceived losses are capable of verification. Garcia cannot just explained the loss of more than 300M, the prosecution, on the other hand, can only verify the loss of about 150M.

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    #10
    Its not what you know, its what you can prove. This is a country of faggots and cowards anyway so let's just live and let live nalang.

plea bargain deal with Garcia