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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    imagine a country without gov't

    no laws, no law enforcement, nothing

    Mad Max dystopia

    can businesses exist in such an environment?

    can you open a store in an environment like that?

    can you open a gas station, a supermarket, a wireless communications company?

    the function of government is to create an environment where people can do business without getting robbed or killed

    or their mechandise stolen or taken by force, or their cellsites set on fire

    the function of government is to maintain peace and order

    in return, businesses and citizens pay the gov't for the nice environment it created and maintains

    in short, government IS a protection racket

    the only LEGAL protection racket

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    other entities who ask for protection money are illegal -- neighborhood thugs, armed rebel groups
    Mag open mga business sa mga lugar nila or outside of military camp then bagal na police to sa peace and order,insured nila.yun stores or buildings nila for eventuality pero huwag naman bastusan na sa gagawin private security yun military at doon sa loob ng camp itatayo. Kahit saan hinde pwede yan


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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    isip negosyante

    gagastos ka ng milyones per cellsite tapos susunigin lang ng NPA?

    ilagay mo sa loob ng military base may proteksyon ka

    tapos super lakas ng signal ng base

    win win
    Hehe may NPA na pala sa paligid ng military bases natin kaya mas safe sa loob na lang.

    Obviously you don't know a lot about where NPA does the so called pansusunog.

    Good business decision yes, but is it wise on our military. Hell no, why tempt fate as doc d said. If the tower is inside the military camp, obviously they would need for their technical people to go inside the base to do "routine" stuff and upgrades if needed. Matalino ka naman, alam mo na possibilities if it would be that easy for a Chinese equipment and even admin personnel -since co-partner nila China Telecom - to go inside the camp for some teaching, maintenance or checking of the work by their DITO counterparts.

    Why the bias against China? Eh sino ba kasi nang-aaapu ng kapwa piliñino natin ngayon sa WPS? Sino ba nagpautang pero mga tao nila dapat empleyado. Tama naman si kishmet eh. Mali lang ending niya hehe.

    Huwag niyo na ipilit yung Spanish, American colonial era. Tapos na yuneh, may magawa pa ba tayo. Yung ngayon importante, yung talagang independent state na hindi tuta. Japan nga na grabe ginawa sa atin hi di niyo natitira, bakit? Kasi hindi sila political? Kaya move on na colonialism tsetse na yan. Mahalaga hindi na maulit. Tanga lang yung uulitin pa ang history na magpa-api.

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    Bakit hindi natin gayahin ang Vietnam na okay economic ties with China kahit na nakikipag-barilan lagi sa pag-assert ng territory nila sa China?

    Pwede naman pala ganun diba. Eh bakit kasi kelangan tuta?

    Spies, oo hindi lahat yan spies pero naglolokohan naman tayo if sasabihin natin na wala spy dyan considering the issue with WPS. Huwag kasi tanggalin sa equation yung background ng situation with the Chinese. The other telecom equipment manufacturer like Siemens at Nokia eh meron ba tayo issue sa national territory at sovereignty? Yung SMC at Telstra negotiations noon bakit kaya wala backlash?

    Utak negosyante? Protect your investment siyempre, make sure you know the actual sentiments of the people. First-hand knowledge hindi yung sa news lang nababasa. Nothing beats that info. Tapos gusto mo pa may easy access sa military bases? Hehe, ayus nga naman.

    BTT: if we continue with this path of being tuta ng Chinese government, kangkungan talaga tayo pupulitin. Again we repeat the history of Valenzuela, African countries and some of those who were under their BRI who got fooled enough and as such, was sucked dry by Chinese "good" business and political strategy as some here would like to portray.

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    Easy lang tayo lahat, mga mods and admin huwag muna mag hand out ng suspension or ban. Just a misunderstanding ito.


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    We are all barking at the wrong tree here. Whatever is happening to our country, kasalanan natin lahat. We voted for the wrong people to govern us. We knew of their wrong doings, yet we kept quiet. And these govt officials know the populace doesn't care anymore kahit harap harapan na ang mga tiwaling gawain nila. Tapos tayo tayo dito nagaaway sa forums, pero wala din mapupuntahan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    Bakit hindi natin gayahin ang Vietnam na okay economic ties with China kahit na nakikipag-barilan lagi sa pag-assert ng territory nila sa China?

    Pwede naman pala ganun diba. Eh bakit kasi kelangan tuta?

    Spies, oo hindi lahat yan spies pero naglolokohan naman tayo if sasabihin natin na wala spy dyan considering the issue with WPS. Huwag kasi tanggalin sa equation yung background ng situation with the Chinese. The other telecom equipment manufacturer like Siemens at Nokia eh meron ba tayo issue sa national territory at sovereignty? Yung SMC at Telstra negotiations noon bakit kaya wala backlash?

    Utak negosyante? Protect your investment siyempre, make sure you know the actual sentiments of the people. First-hand knowledge hindi yung sa news lang nababasa. Nothing beats that info. Tapos gusto mo pa may easy access sa military bases? Hehe, ayus nga naman.

    BTT: if we continue with this path of being tuta ng Chinese government, kangkungan talaga tayo pupulitin. Again we repeat the history of Valenzuela, African countries and some of those who were under their BRI who got fooled enough and as such, was sucked dry by Chinese "good" business and political strategy as some here would like to portray.

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    Vietnam and the Philippines: A study in contrasts
    By: Richard Heydarian - *inquirerdotnet
    Philippine Daily Inquirer / 04:05 AM October 27, 2020

    All nations tend to mythologize their success and, accordingly, mystify their failures. Over the long run, what’s important above all is how each nation learns from its mistakes, recovers from failures through grit and innovation, and confidently marches toward the end of history. In 1881, Gregorio Sancianco published his landmark “El progreso de Filipinas” (The progress of the Philippines) in Madrid. When most of our neighbors lacked even a single modern university, here was a Filipino book that carefully analyzed the administrative and economic structures of the Pearl of the Orient Seas (Perla del mar de oriente).

    Blessed with fertile lands and relatively modern industries, the 19th-century Philippines was a manufacturing hub and a food exporting nation, including, yes, rice. It was precisely this prosperity that gave birth to a robust and increasingly nationalistic middle class, the Filipino “Ilustrado,” who built on the legacy of their creole predecessors such as Fr. José Burgos and Luis Rodriguez Varela in pursuit of collective self-determination.

    Though singular in his genius, Rizal was only one among countless brilliant Filipinos, who, as in Sancianco or Antonio Luna, were operating at the cutting-edge of arts, science, and technology.

    Half a century of disasters, from American imperial duplicity to the Japanese occupation and World War II, undercut our nationalist revolution. And yet, by 1960 the Philippines still had the largest economy in Southeast Asia, with world-class professionals and leaders.

    That year, however, was also the beginning of the country’s decline in the rank of nations, largely thanks to forthcoming kleptocratic Marcos dictatorship that reduced the Philippines to the “Sick man of Asia” by the 1980s.

    It was not until recently that our country began to claw its way back to a measure of stability, such that by 2013, then under President Benigno Aquino III, the World Bank felt confident enough to describe the Philippines as “Asia’s rising tiger.”

    But it took only a few years for the Philippines to once again relapse into authoritarian temptation, placing its fate in the hands of another strongman. The upshot is slowing growth, reaching an eight-year low in 2019, and the second worst preforming country in the region this year.

    In neighboring Vietnam, however, the year 1960 marked the beginning of national unification, as Ho Chi Minh took on the world’s reigning superpower. The Vietnam War wrought unfathomable devastation and human tragedy, reducing tens of millions of ordinary folk to poverty and destitution.

    By the late 1970s, a now unified Vietnam, having defeated the United States, found itself at war with its former patron, China, and its Cambodian proxies. It was also desperately isolated within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, which was then dominated by mostly US-aligned nations.

    But the struggle for independence also congealed Vietnam into a unified, coherent, and dynamic nation under the helm of competent and patriotic leaders. While the Philippines struggled with Marcos-era debt burdens and sustained an industrial hollowing-out under neoliberal policies, Vietnam’s leadership built a modern developmental state under the Doi Moi reforms, which aimed to create a “socialist-oriented market economy.”

    Instead of blindly opening their economy to foreign products, Vietnam’s leadership adopted optimal trade and industrial policies that attracted quality foreign direct investments and boosted domestic production capacity. It adopted best practices, including from our International Rice Research Institute, to enhance its food self-sufficiency and rural development. Built on principles of egalitarianism, Vietnam also established a world-class basic education and health care system.

    Thus, within a generation, the country had transformed itself from a war-torn nation into the world’s latest economic miracle. Today, Vietnam is an agricultural superpower, exporting hundreds of thousands of tons of rice to places such as the Philippines, while its colossal manufacturing sector is churning out electric cars, high-definition LEDs, and designer products.

    In terms of math and sciences, Vietnamese children ranked among the top 10 nations in the world. Thanks to its competent state institutions, Vietnam swiftly contained the COVID-19 crisis and, this year, will overtake the Philippines in per capita income.

    And while Rodrigo Duterte publicly fears resistance to China in the West Philippine Sea, Vietnam has bravely stood up to Beijing’s maritime aggression. Sadly, Rizal’s trepidations and Heneral Luna’s frustrations about their beloved motherland painfully echo until this day, while Uncle Ho must be mightily proud of his valiant and competent heirs.

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    Sabi ni erap at agree naman si digong, weather2 lang yan. Pag delaw na naman ang nasa admin, gigipitin na naman ang China.

    Erap wasn’t lying: Duterte agrees life is ‘weather-weather lang’

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    #3449
    Quote Originally Posted by baludoy View Post
    i agree.
    our laws should favor local manufacture/refining, over imported finished product.

    but...
    would this go against asean policy..?

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    ^^^

    same operating environment as Shell

    they also face the same pressures that made Shell close down their refinery

    dunno how Petron can be any different

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