P-Noy to China: Pull out ships from shoal

**CVT** · July 9th, 2012 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Walter

Actually her position is for joint exploitation of natural resources according to Inquirer newspaper.

Dahil siguro Senadora siya at hindi Presidente...

Or the calming effect of age.....

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**Monseratto** · July 9th, 2012 11:43 AM

Ano nangyari sa "accidental" ramming of filipino fisherman? Sino pabago-bago ng statement na China may kasalanan at sa Panatag Shoal nangyari? Sino napahiya tuloy?

If PNoy would stop making obviously wishful pronouncement for public consumption and take the advise of this old man...

Don't expect China keep quiet and not to reply in kind when PNoy say things like demanding a third party superpower to send spyplanes over the region.

Use 'quiet diplomacy' in territorial dispute with China - Joker

MANILA - The Philippine government should use “quiet diplomacy” in its territorial dispute with China, Senator Joker Arroyo said Sunday.

Quiet diplomacy, he said, is about resorting to informal backchannels using emissaries who have connections to Chinese leaders, and not make public the ugly discussions but only positive developments.

“This is a sensitive issue,” Arroyo said in his interview over dzBB. A quiet diplomacy “would avoid embarrassing anyone…We will not lose anything.”

He advised the “know-it-alls” in government to stop using “harsh words” when talking about the issue in public, and this would require “discipline” from the President and the President’s men.

He said President Benigno Aquino III’s pronouncement of de-escalation and keeping quiet about the issue is a step in the right direction.

Chinese media noted that Aquino’s statement saying the Philippines will allow the use of US spy planes naturally increases tension in the area.

Arroyo said the Philippines should “realize our limitations” because we “cannot win in an arms race with China.”

“Gusto mo ba arms race with China (Do we want an arms race with China)? How can we succeed?” he asked.

“We should know our limitations, our capabilities,” he added, noting that the Vice President of China, who is set to take over the helm of the government later this year, has alreaady spoken that China does not want an escalation in the region.At the same time, Arroyo said the Philippines cannot expect the United States to go to war with China over this dispute. He said the US won’t sacrifice its interest for the Philippines when US-Philippine trade volume is “not 1 percent of” US-China trade volume.

“Bakit sisirain ng Amerika ang relasyon nya sa China (Why would the US break off its relations with China)? They have a mutual need not to escalate the problem. Gusto nila ang comercio (They want trade),” he said.

“US cannot antagonize China. We cannot expect them to be at war with each other. We cannot expect America to come to our aid,” he added.

Citing its pullout from Iraq and Afghanistan and its refusal to go into Syria, Arroyo said the US is war-weary.

ASEAN is in a similar bind, Arroyo said. “ASEAN (member-countries) don’t want to make a statement supporting (the Philippines on the Scarborough standoff). They have their own problems with China. Why would they jeopardize their relations with China over the Philippines?” he asked.

**Boy Bastos** · July 9th, 2012 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Monseratto

You got a better idea? Di yung idea na huhulog ng langit o wishful thinking ha...

Same as Penoy's tactic. Bark like a toothless dog. Gather some allies. Use media. Defend your territory as long as you can. Wala naman kasing military capability ang Pinas so ano ang direct na panlaban mo?

At least someone is doing something with this issue.

Ikaw? Bilang tsinoy. Ano naman gagawin mo?

**LiLjOHn** · July 9th, 2012 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by AKI125

After reading the inquirer today. I just felt Pnoy is really intending to put china into signing a joint exploration of the oil. They know china wont be stupid to go into war right now with any nation or esle this will definitely means a pull out of investments coming from the multinational companies plus they dont want to gamble with the prosperity they are experiencing right now. For me this is a good move for a joint exploration, i bet if ever we alone will be the one to do it madaming politicians lalong yayaman due to corruption

if ever totoo ito,,,this will me a stupid move of PNoy..bkit ka makikipag Joint exploration sa china e in the first place Panatag Shoal is OURS! khit paano mo pagbalibaliktaran ang mapa sa pilipinas ito!! kapag nangyare ang joint explaration na ito parang NILUTO MO ANG KANIN AT ULAM IBA ANG KAKAIN!

**Monseratto** · July 9th, 2012 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Boy Bastos

Same as Penoy's tactic. Bark like a toothless dog. Gather some allies. Use media. Defend your territory as long as you can. Wala naman kasing military capability ang Pinas so ano ang direct na panlaban mo?

At least someone is doing something with this issue.

Ikaw? Bilang tsinoy. Ano naman gagawin mo?

Take the advise of Joker...

**Boy Bastos** · July 9th, 2012 12:01 PM

Ok.

You said...

Originally Posted by Monseratto

PNoy will try AGAIN to get the ASEAN countries to "unite" behind him to persuade (more like "beg") China to accept a code of conduct when dealing with this problem. Unfortunately, most of the ASEAN nations also have some form of claim in the South China Sea area, and have lucrative trade relations with China. Another effort bound to fail...ZZZzzz.

and suggested..

Originally Posted by Monseratto

Take the advise of Joker...

which is...

Arroyo said it was high time the Philippines saw Asean, of which the country is a founding member, as the main battleground to resolve diplomatically conflicting territorial claims in the South China Sea, which Manila calls West Philippine Sea.

Tap Asean vs Chinese intrusion, gov

which is also the same as....

Originally Posted by Monseratto

PNoy will try AGAIN to get the ASEAN countries to "unite" behind him to persuade (more like "beg") China to accept a code of conduct when dealing with this problem. Unfortunately, most of the ASEAN nations also have some form of claim in the South China Sea area, and have lucrative trade relations with China. Another effort bound to fail...ZZZzzz.

which you don't agree...

Originally Posted by Monseratto

Another effort bound to fail...ZZZzzz.

Ano ba talaga koya?

:D

**Monseratto** · July 9th, 2012 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Boy Bastos

Ano ba talaga koya?

:D

From the article I posted above:

Quiet diplomacy, he said, is about resorting to informal backchannels using emissaries who have connections to Chinese leaders, and not make public the ugly discussions but only positive developments.

“This is a sensitive issue,” Arroyo said in his interview over dzBB. A quiet diplomacy “would avoid embarrassing anyone…We will not lose anything.”

He advised the “know-it-alls” in government to stop using “harsh words” when talking about the issue in public, and this would require “discipline” from the President and the President’s men.

Because Joker said regarding ASEAN:

At the same time, Arroyo said the Philippines cannot expect the United States to go to war with China over this dispute. He said the US won’t sacrifice its interest for the Philippines when US-Philippine trade volume is “not 1 percent of” US-China trade volume.

“Bakit sisirain ng Amerika ang relasyon nya sa China (Why would the US break off its relations with China)? They have a mutual need not to escalate the problem. Gusto nila ang comercio (They want trade),” he said.

“US cannot antagonize China. We cannot expect them to be at war with each other. We cannot expect America to come to our aid,” he added.

Citing its pullout from Iraq and Afghanistan and its refusal to go into Syria, Arroyo said the US is war-weary.

ASEAN is in a similar bind, Arroyo said. “ASEAN (member-countries) don’t want to make a statement supporting (the Philippines on the Scarborough standoff). They have their own problems with China. Why would they jeopardize their relations with China over the Philippines?” he asked.

Which I totally agree from the start...PNOy already tried this before. So why would these people change their mind?

**Boy Bastos** · July 9th, 2012 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Monseratto

Which I totally agree from the start...PNOy already tried this before. So why would these people change their mind?

Nakakatakot ang silent diplomacy. Maraming hidden terms.

But anyway, IMO, the Chinese will never backdown or will let go of these islands.

**safeorigin** · July 9th, 2012 02:40 PM

In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory.

The quality of decision is like the well-timed swoop of a falcon which enables it to strike and destroy its victim.

-Art of War

A prince being thus obliged to know well how to act as a beast must imitate the fox and the lion, for the lion cannot protect himself from snares, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize snares, and a lion to frighten wolves. Those that wish to be only lions do not understand this.

- The Prince

**oliver1013** · July 9th, 2012 06:10 PM

Ok lang naman mag matigas Pilipinas kahit alam ng lahat na alikabok lang military natin, hind rin naman talaga lulusob ang China kaya hindi na natin kailangan pa pagusapan kung tutulong ang US o hinde.

Ang point dito kahit papano di tayo basta tumutupi..Bluff man yun kuno at least buma bluff.. hindi basta nalng bumubukaka at nag pa parape.

Mas mabuti nalang yung asong walang ipin pero tumatahol, kesa sa asong wala na ngang ipin, di pa marunong tumahol.