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    #3551
    the real question that should be asked is not whether or not corona will be impeached but rather has the prosecution proven its case for impeachment

    if one believes that the prosecution has proven its case, then impeachment is a triumph of justice

    but if the prosecution has not proven its case yet corona is impeached, then it is all a mere political game

    one wins a case not the the weakness of the evidences of the other side but on the strength of your own evidences

    this is an age old maxim in law

    and, the senator-judges are supposed to be neither for the prosecution or the defense


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    #3552
    Para sayo, its ok na lumabag ang cj ng batas basta may ginagawa siya sa puesto niya? Wow, just wow.

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    #3553
    Quote Originally Posted by 111prez View Post
    the real question that should be asked is not whether or not corona will be impeached but rather has the prosecution proven its case for impeachment

    if one believes that the prosecution has proven its case, then impeachment is a triumph of justice

    but if the prosecution has not proven its case yet corona is impeached, then it is all a mere political game

    one wins a case not the the weakness of the evidences of the other side but on the strength of your own evidences

    this is an age old maxim in law

    and, the senator-judges are supposed to be neither for the prosecution or the defense

    jpe i think as a lawyer would based his decision on the evidence presented.... as a lawyer it would be his legacy....

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    #3554
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn manikis View Post
    2. On the issue of non-disclosure of dollar accounts in his SALN:

    CJ Corona did not declare his dollar accounts because he believed “in good faith” in the confidentiality of foreign deposits as provided by the laws on banking secrecy and foreign currency deposit units (FCDU). If he did so, then it would contravene the very law that Congress itself has passed. If there is conflict or ambiguity in the interpretation of the law, it is Congress itself that is to be blamed. Reliance in good faith in the law that Congress passed is not a crime. You cannot put an ordinary man behind bars for a law that in itself is ambiguous.
    The law is unambiguous. As explained here and elsewhere, the FCDU prohibits third parties from divulging dollar accounts.

    It's impossible for the law to prohibit a person from divulging personal information. Even more impossible for it to prohibit a person from divulging personal information that he is required to divulge by law. In Corona's interpretation, he is now himself guilty of violating the FCDU! And not in the performance of his duty as a public official... so, in his interpretation, should he now go to jail for that?

    -

    While I agree that some of the SC's decisions have been good... others have... not... just look at the farce that is the PALEA case. And as you say, it's a disproportionate response of the Aquino administration to take on the Chief Justice for decisions that were voted upon by the entire SC. And the case for the prosecution in other terms (the GMA decisions, etcetera) was very weak. And yes, some of the prosecution's tricks were underhanded.

    But you can't hide behind politics. If you are given a traffic ticket simply because an enforcer doesn't like you, as long as it's a valid ticket for a proven offense (say, speeding with a photo and radar reading), then you have to pay the fine.

    And non-declaration of assets is a valid offense that means dismissal and has meant dismissal for other officials, already.

    Magkasagutan nalang mamaya sa ibang court hearings and lawsuits regarding what went on during the trial, if libel and defamation cases need to be filed, so be it. If other SALN cases need to be filed... then let someone file them. If Congress blocks them, remember who voted and be sure to not vote for them next election...
    Last edited by niky; May 29th, 2012 at 11:31 AM.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #3555
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn manikis View Post
    Why CJ Corona is definitely a threat to PNoy and his clan?

    -November 22, 2011, the Supreme Court ordered the distribution of Hacienda Luisita.

    -January 24, 2012, Supreme Court promulgated decision affirming the Sandiganbayan antigraft court’s decision awarding to the government the 24-percent San Miguel Corp. (SMC) shares that were bought with coconut levy funds also required the government to use its share only for the benefit of the farmers and the coconut industry.

    These and many more decisions were promulgated by the SC under the leadership of CJ Corona. These decisions are patently against PNoy and his clan.

    Keep CJ Corona out and all these SC decisions will be reversed.

    History repeats itself.

    During the time of Marcos, the Cojuancos were under fire. When Cory became President, the Cojuancos find solace.
    This solace continued during the time of Pres. Ramos, an ally of Cory.
    During the time of PGMA, the Cojuancos were again under fire. PNoy run for President to save his family. PNoy won. But contrary to his belief, the Judiciary behaved not in the manner that it did during his mom's time.
    If a new CJ would be appointed, the Cojuancos would again find solace and this solace will be maintained for another six years should another ally of the Cojuancos win as President.

    Come to think of it, my dear TSIKOTEERS... We have been fooled once, twice... shall we allow ourselves to be fooled again?
    hahaha funny, it seems na kapag ang decision is against Pnoy si corona ang dahilan PERO pag ang decision si favoring GMA or PAL management corona has only one vote and cannot influence the decision of SC
    so ano ba talaga?

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    #3556
    Quote Originally Posted by greenlyt View Post
    hahaha funny, it seems na kapag ang decision is against Pnoy si corona ang dahilan PERO pag ang decision si favoring GMA or PAL management corona has only one vote and cannot influence the decision of SC
    so ano ba talaga?
    sabi niya nga nun una sa interview niya regarding hacienda luisita, na isang boto lang naman siya.

    pero yun nagsalita siya nun unang beses na pumunta siya sa IC, siya na ang dahilan ng pagbigay nun HL sa magsasaka... DUH!

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    #3557
    Quote Originally Posted by [archie] View Post
    Para sayo, its ok na lumabag ang cj ng batas basta may ginagawa siya sa puesto niya? Wow, just wow.
    ano po ba ang labag sa batas na ginawa ni cj para ma impeach cya? is it an impeachable offence? meron po bang kaso ng anti graft na nakasampa sakanya sa ombudsman o sa impeachment court? ano at saan cya nagnakaw? non declaration nalang po halos ang pinagtatalunan ngayon.... lahat naman po nasagot na ni CJ... ni ang prosecution nag waive na ng cross nila.... ayaw na din nila gamitin ang waiver.... pwede naman nila gamitin yun sa rebuttal but.... they did not... why?

    alam nyo po kung may mali o nag nagnakaw po sa kaban ng bayan si CJ kami po dito ang unanang unang makakaalam at lahat po ng papeles eh dumadaan sa emplyedo... kami po dito sa JUDICIARY will not tolerate the CJ... like what we did to CJ Davide... the employees was the one who initiated the filling of the impeachment complaint against DAVIDE... halos lahat po kami sa judiciary anti GMA....

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    #3558
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn manikis View Post
    “Is Corona morally fit to remain as chief justice of the Supreme Court? The damning revelations go to the very core. Pagkatao ang pinaguusapan natin dito,” lead prosecutor Iloilo Rep. Niel Tupas Jr. said.

    Question: Are the Congressmen who signed the impeachment complaint clean enough to accuse him of the crime they themselves are guilty of? Those who plea for justice must come in court with clean hands.

    May mga kaso ng katiwalian ang buong angkan ni Tupaz na nasa Ombudsman at SC kaya yan nagkakaganyan.
    So based on this argument, if one gets pulled over for a traffic violation and is about to get issued a ticket, puede pala niyang tanungin yung enforcer, "Habang naka-duty ka, ikaw ba'y hinding-hindi sumalubong sa 1-way street? Ikaw ba'y hinding-hindi nagpatakbo ng sasakyan habang pula ang ilaw? Ikaw ba'y laging naka-helmet kapag nagmo-motor?"

    Then, we really don't need courts, lawyers, plaintiffs, defendants and judges after all, right?

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    #3559
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn manikis View Post
    During the time of Marcos, the Cojuancos were under fire. When Cory became President, the Cojuancos find solace.
    This solace continued during the time of Pres. Ramos, an ally of Cory.
    During the time of PGMA, the Cojuancos were again under fire. PNoy run for President to save his family. PNoy won. But contrary to his belief, the Judiciary behaved not in the manner that it did during his mom's time.
    If a new CJ would be appointed, the Cojuancos would again find solace and this solace will be maintained for another six years should another ally of the Cojuancos win as President.
    Qualify ko lang yan. Not all Cojuangcos were under fire during Marcos' time. It was during his time nga that Danding flourished and benefitted from the Coco levy funds. It doesn't automatically mean din naman that once mapalitan ang CJ, eh maging pabor na mga desisyon para sa admin.

    Be that as it may, though I believe the CJ isn't up to the high standards of his current position... the verdict can still go either way. kasi kung 16 to convict nga... kahit maka-15 acquitted pa rin.

    Quote Originally Posted by c_cube View Post
    sabi niya nga nun una sa interview niya regarding hacienda luisita, na isang boto lang naman siya.

    pero yun nagsalita siya nun unang beses na pumunta siya sa IC, siya na ang dahilan ng pagbigay nun HL sa magsasaka... DUH!
    napanood ko nga yan. sabi nya sa mga HL farmers, tinaya daw nya buhay nya para sa kanila.

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    #3560
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn manikis View Post
    ano po ba ang labag sa batas na ginawa ni cj para ma impeach cya? is it an impeachable offence? meron po bang kaso ng anti graft na nakasampa sakanya sa ombudsman o sa impeachment court? ano at saan cya nagnakaw? non declaration nalang po halos ang pinagtatalunan ngayon.... lahat naman po nasagot na ni CJ... ni ang prosecution nag waive na ng cross nila.... ayaw na din nila gamitin ang waiver.... pwede naman nila gamitin yun sa rebuttal but.... they did not... why?

    alam nyo po kung may mali o nag nagnakaw po sa kaban ng bayan si CJ kami po dito ang unanang unang makakaalam at lahat po ng papeles eh dumadaan sa emplyedo... kami po dito sa JUDICIARY will not tolerate the CJ... like what we did to CJ Davide... the employees was the one who initiated the filling of the impeachment complaint against DAVIDE... halos lahat po kami sa judiciary anti GMA....
    Ika nga ni enrile, ano ba mali kung disclose niya dollar niya. No court would file a case kung nilagay niya sa saln. Bakit kailangan itago? Bakit nagwaive sa cross is beyond me dahil hindi ako prosecution, much more, not a lawyer. Sa pananaw ko, kung walang tinatago, hindi kailangan magtago.

    Nasagot niya, pero tama na palusot lang lahat. Babanat ng waiver pero kailangan sign din yung iba. Babanat ng walang condition at the last minute. Bumibira lang para humaba... Dami dahilan pero wala evidence to support, only credibility at best.

    It does not follow na kung ang buong sc employees are not against the cj, wala siya ginawang mali.

    hindi ba nasa article 2 ang basis ng kaso, included as articles of impeachment?

Impeachment against CJ Corona..