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    #21
    yup gma is a sinner, a great sinner perhaps, however it is the duty an obligation of a priest to provide communion to all those who ask for it whether sinner or not whether they had gone through confession prior or not.

    a priest never judge a person for how bad they are, like jesus christ all is fair in the eyes of God, and nobody must condemn anybody, even if proven guilty...

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    #22
    kumambyo na si bishop sa statement nya... pati ba naman mga bishop nagfi-flip flop sa ideology nila? tsk tsk tsk

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    #23
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    kumambyo na si bishop sa statement nya... pati ba naman mga bishop nagfi-flip flop sa ideology nila? tsk tsk tsk
    this bishop is just an example of "man of god" who doesnt even know his own scriptures.

    sinners are temporary state. a middle state between good and evil. puwede pa ma-sway either side depende na lang sa pagkatao talaga ng sinner.
    hindi pa totally evil yun for him to judge.

    how I wish the Vatican will remove him for issuing such a statement.

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    #24
    :pope:

    in fairness to Bishop Cruz, baka nga naman taken out of context yun statement niya? we all know that Media have a penchant of twisting one's statements....


    Bishop denies saying he won’t give communion to GMA
    By Edu Punay
    Friday, March 28, 2008 Archbishop Oscar Cruz of Lingayen-Dagupan denied yesterday saying that he would not grant holy communion to President Arroyo and her family.
    Cruz, a staunch critic of the Arroyo administration, clarified that he only told a news conference in Mandaluyong City last Wednesday that he would not give communion to a known sinner but did not specifically refer to Mrs. Arroyo.
    “No, I didn’t say no communion for GMA (Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo). Frankly I don’t know anymore which occasion I said that because it was a long press conference with the media group. I would not do that. That is quite offensive to say that I won’t give holy communion to the President and her family. I think that’s too rude for me to say,” Cruz told reporters.
    But Cruz, former president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), said he could not blame reporters who covered the press conference for misinterpreting several statements he made.
    “Thinking it over, when my words were put together by those who were there, I would not blame them. We were talking about the government, corruption and communal action so I understand and I cannot blame the media for linking what I said about the President and the First Family,” he said.
    Television and radio reports on Wednesday quoted Cruz as saying during the press conference: “I would not give communion to somebody receiving communion in public whom I know is a public sinner. I am sorry. I could be wrong and may God forgive me but I cannot do it.”
    Cruz said he only stated a long-standing teaching of the Church, which says communion should not be awarded to a known public sinner.
    “To give public sinners holy communion would create scandal among the people because it would seem to erase the distinction between rightful living and sinful existence. It was not a personal opinion, Christ had a very strong injunction on this principle,” Cruz stressed.
    Asked if he considers the President a public sinner, the archbishop replied: “It will be hard for me to think about her as a saint. To say that she is a public sinner may be a strong statement, but for me that would be more comfortable than to say that she is a saintly and holy person. This is my thinking. I’m sorry if I will hurt anybody.”
    The bishop said media might have drawn conclusions from these two statements because “consequently the person concerned is a very bad example of Christian living.”
    Cruz said other bishops and priests will do the same.
    He said it would be scandalous to grant communion to a known sinner.
    He explained that before granting public sinners absolution and communion, they should first confess their sins and return what they stole.
    But this was immediately challenged by his fellow prelate, Bishop Juan de Dios Pueblos of Butuan, who cited God’s mercy on sinners.
    “As what Jesus Christ taught us, hate the sin but love the sinners,” Pueblos said in an interview over the Catholic Church-owned Radyo Veritas.
    “I am just praying for Christians, especially servant leaders, to be compassionate and welcoming to sinners as Jesus Christ was,” Pueblos said.
    Cruz is one of the few bishops who have openly criticized Mrs. Arroyo’s government. Many times, he called for the resignation of the President over alleged massive corruption and scandal hounding her administration.
    Pueblos, however, earlier described Cruz as a “dangerous influence” on the leadership of the CBCP.
    Meanwhile, Mrs. Arroyo’s election lawyer Romulo Macalintal assailed Cruz, saying that it was not accurate to say that the giving of communion is based on the personal conviction of the priest.
    “Because there is the presumption that the one receiving communion has undergone confession and did penance and could receive communion following the process of reconciliation with God,” Macalintal said in a statement.
    He said whatever the views of the priest or the lay minister, it is their duty to give communion and not to judge the Catholic faithful asking for it. He said sinners would be answerable to God.
    Deputy Presidential Spokesman Anthony Golez said he found it hard to believe that Cruz would make such remarks.
    “First of all, with due respect to the bishop, who is he to know the sins of everybody?” Golez said. “The role of the priests and the bishops is to save the faithful, not to separate them from the Church and that was taught to us for those who were educated in Catholic schools.
    “Everybody needs salvation and the reason Christ came to this world is to grant us salvation.”
    He said Cruz’s statements “hurt a lot.” Golez said it would hurt Catholics if priests deny the faithful salvation.
    Golez said a lot of the Catholics are turned off if they see a priest or a leader of the Catholic Church meddle in politics.
    He expressed hope that Cruz’s statements would not lead to Catholics losing respect for church leaders. – With Paolo Romero

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    #25
    so sir shadow parang ini- edit na lang ng media yung pinalabas sa TV?

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    #26
    Quote Originally Posted by chilli View Post
    so sir shadow parang ini- edit na lang ng media yung pinalabas sa TV?

    probably! splice siya...lagi naman ganun eh iba ang lumalabas sa sinabi...it's not the first time they have (media) done this...

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    #27
    napanood ko yung video and wala ako maalala na binaggit niya si GMA specifically. pero ndi ba obvious kung sino pinatatamaan niya dun sa statement niya???

    at isa pa, sa interview niya sa Umagang Kay GAnda with Tunying Taberna, sinabi na niya dun si GMA mismo ndi niya bibigyan ng communion kasi public sinner.

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    #28
    oh i see, hmm kasi when i watched it with channel 2, di ko na napansin if parang may pinutol sila or what. hay sana naman maging responsible ang media natin dito

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    #29
    ganun pa din sinabi pa din nya he would not give communion to known sinners. wala pinagkaiba yun

    tanggalin na sa simbahan dapat

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    #30
    Kung ako kay GMA magpapa convert nako sa ibang relihiyon para walang problema..or better yet wag nalang mag relihiyon para walang hassle

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