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    wala naman tayo laban sa china eh, kaya tama si Pnoy daanin natin sa WORD WAR.. putak lang ng putak bibigay din yang china

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    Alam na Kung sino magiging collaborator..

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    A good read....


    PNoy was right in his Hitler characterization of bully China


    InterAksyon.com
    The online news portal of TV5

    Atty. Mel Sta. Maria is the resident legal analyst of TV5. He is Dean of the FEU Institute of Law. He also teaches at the Ateneo School of Law and daily co-hosts the program 'Relasyon' on Radyo Singko 92.3 News FM.

    China does not care what other nations think.

    Despite the West Philippine Sea case filed by the Philippines now pending with the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS), the "Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea" signed by China and the ASEAN nations committing that "parties concerned undertake to intensify efforts to seek ways, in the spirit of cooperation and understanding, to build trust and confidence", and the expressions of concern by the United States and other countries against its aggressive stance in the South China Sea, Beijing still exhibits, nay flaunts, its expansive but highly questionable assertion of ownership over territories in this oil-rich corner of the world.

    China has flaunted its naval power over the areas, made unilateral rules on their enjoyment and exploitation, and threatened to forcefully bar "outside" fishermen, including Filipinos, from these places. China's strategy is clear: to intimidate other claimant-nations and to create an irreversible fait accompli that will make the surrounding countries' assertion of dominion useless.

    Somebody had to speak up. The leaders of Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam, Japan and South Korea have been very passive so far, though they also assert ownership over nearby territories as against China's claims.

    Who had the courage to push back against this bullying tactic of China? President Benigno 'Noynoy' Aquino.

    He described China's expansive actions as Hitler-like. What could that mean? Non-reaction, even by way of unilateral declarations, against these China's aggressive movements can lead to serious international crisis similar to the 1938 Sudetenland territorial claim controversy in Europe - a crisis starting from a localized territorial claim by Nazi Germany, escalating to a regional problem in Europe, then leading to capitulation by appeasement and, eventually, resulting to a global holocaust.

    By way of background: In 1938, Great Britain and France, allies of Czechoslovakia, did not put a strong front against Hitler's threat of invading the Sudetenland, which was a territory of Czechoslovakia. Hitler claimed that it was part of Nazi Germany as it was populated mostly by ethnic Germans. In order to avoid war, Great Britain and France, acceded to Hitler's demand of annexing the Sudetenland into Nazi Germany. They pressured their ally Czechoslovakia, which vigorously objected, to agree. Chamberlain, upon arriving in Great Britain, waved a copy of the "Munich Pact" and announced "peace in our time". But instead of mollifying Hitler, the event increased his appetite for lebensraum. This craving for more territories to occupy eventually resulted into the deadliest world war this earth had ever experienced.

    PNoy's words made one Chinese commentator, Ming Jinwei of the state-run Xinhua news agency, write : "His latest reported attack against China, in which he senselessly compared his northern neighbor to the Nazi Germany, exposed his true color as an amateurish politician who was ignorant of history and reality."

    Well, Mr. Ming Jinwei, our President this time has a point. He made sense. Nothing was politically "amateurish" in what he did. In fact, his actions were appropriate and timely. China should back off and let the rule of law and the United Nations Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) prevail and the ITLOS proceeding move on and finally resolve the territorial disputes peacefully.

    Moreover, China signed a multilateral "Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea". Pacta sunt servanda must prevail. This is one of the ancient, timeless and well-entrenched rules in international law: Countries must honor, respect and implement in good faith pacts or agreements that they have entered into.

    China cannot wave the olive branch in one hand and, on the other, rattle its sword. But that is precisely what China is doing. With such double-faced attitude, how else could President Noynoy respond? Given our limitated military capacities, there was only one answer: jolt the world from its complacency. Sound the alarm with a forceful unilateral statement on China's expansionism. Let the world know and bring this matter again to the center of international concern.

    President Aquino's reference to Nazi Germany served that purpose excellently. The United States reacted by urging China to clarify its position on the West Philippine Sea. "China's lack of clarity with regard to its South China Sea claims has created uncertainty in the region and limits the prospect for achieving mutually agreeable resolution or equitable joint development arrangements", said Danny Russel, the US assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs as reported by InterAksyon.com. China countered. InterAksyon.com also reported that, Hong Fei, the Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokeman said: "Some US officials make groundless accusations against China."

    What is clear is that the world is again focused on this issue. By his pronouncements, President Aquino reminded the world that the issues are not only a localized problem but an international concern.

    An "amateur politician"? President Aquino's statement proved that he is a clever one. And I believe that the Chinese Government officials realized this and deep inside them, their respect for Aquino may just be growing. Indeed, if you give your adversaries the kind of legitimate peaceful response that hits them at their core and make them pause even for a while, the more your adversaries will respect you.

    There are times when, no matter how small and seemingly defenseless you are, you just have to make a firm stand and be annoyingly assertive of your rights. Otherwise, this world will be an unprincipled one where bullies always prevail.

    The challenge to China remains: if you are so sure of your territorial claims in the West Philippine Sea, why not just thresh this out in the United Nations ITLOS proceeding which you continually shun, instead of merely exhibiting your muscles like any typical bully? Why not participate in the ITLOS proceeding? Takot ka?

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    another good read:

    Sea row brings to mind Hitler-West pact | Inquirer Opinion

    Mr. Aquino said in the interview that the Philippines, like Czechoslovakia, faces demands to surrender territory piecemeal to a much stronger foreign power and needs robust foreign support for the international rule of law, if it is to resist.
    According to The New York Times, Mr. Aquino said: “If we say yes to something we believe is wrong, what guarantee is there that the wrong will not be further exacerbated down the line? … At what point do you say, ‘Enough is enough’? Well, the world has to say it—remember that the Sudetenland was given in an attempt to appease Hitler to prevent World War II.”
    This comment on Mr. Aquino’s knowledge of history and competence as a national leader is utterly irrelevant and patronizing, and insults the Filipino people. China should leave it to the Filipinos to pass judgments on the competence of their elected leader, for all his faults.
    What is tremendously relevant to Filipinos is the incontrovertible reality that China has been steadily increasing its military and coast guard presence in the sea in recent years to assert its claims, causing tensions to rise and fueling concerns in the Philippines about perceived Chinese bullying.
    The Philippines claims Chinese vessels have, since 2012, occupied a rich fishing area called Scarborough Shoal, which is about 220 kilometers off this country’s main island and about 650 km from the nearest major Chinese landmass.
    Last year, the Philippines filed a legal action with the United Nations asking it to rule that Beijing’s South China Sea claim is invalid. China has refused to participate in the UN process.
    According to The New York Times, Mr. Aquino’s expression of alarm is among the strongest yet from Asian heads of state about China’s military buildup and territorial ambitions, and the second time in recent weeks that an Asian leader has volunteered a comparison to the prelude to world wars.
    The newspaper reported that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan caused a stir at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, last month when he noted that Britain and Germany went to war in 1914 even though they had close economic ties—much as Japan and China have now.
    Japan has been locked in an increasingly tense standoff with China over uninhabited islands in the East China Sea.
    Even South Korea, which has been quieter about Chinese claims, expressed alarm last year after China announced it had the right to police skies above a vast area of ocean, including areas claimed by Japan and South Korea.

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    Lawakan kasi ang pagiisip...Lahat nalang kasi ng ginagawa Mali agad e...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oliver1013 View Post
    Lawakan kasi ang pagiisip...Lahat nalang kasi ng ginagawa Mali agad e...
    All this talk about how we should roll over and let China have their way reminds me of the classic rape advice... "just relax and enjoy it honey."

    Real easy to say until it's you they've got bent over a table with your big, flabby male arse exposed.

    Play nice when you need to, but when the other guy starts crap, let him know that's not acceptable behaviour. And the more noise PNoy makes, the more Japan and the US will back him up. If he lets China have their way, they can just roll over us and nobody would legally be able to lift a finger to help us.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #27
    there's more than one way to skin a cat

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    meron kasi dyan, kahit ano pa man ang mangyari, e loyal kay pandak. galit kay pnoy kasi na-udlot yung mga maliligayang araw nilang kukurapkurap. kaya kahit national sovereignty na ang pinaguusapan at tama naman ang ginagawa e mali pa din sa kanila. kasi nga, mas mahalaga ang pera na kukurapin kesa sa bansa. makasarili, konting tulak lang makapili na din.

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    Taenayan, hindi puwede na mag-roll na ang tayo sa gusto nang tsina. Isusunod na nila kaming sasakupin niyan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebo View Post
    meron kasi dyan, kahit ano pa man ang mangyari, e loyal kay pandak. galit kay pnoy kasi na-udlot yung mga maliligayang araw nilang kukurapkurap. kaya kahit national sovereignty na ang pinaguusapan at tama naman ang ginagawa e mali pa din sa kanila. kasi nga, mas mahalaga ang pera na kukurapin kesa sa bansa. makasarili, konting tulak lang makapili na din.
    if you remember sir Pandak sold us to china during her term:

    China?s Spratlys intrusions connected to Gloria Arroyo deal | Opinion | GMA News Online

    The current word war between the Philippines and China is another proof of the continuing curse of Gloria Arroyo on the Filipino people.

    The latest series of diplomatic protests lodged by the Philippines with China and submitted also to the United Nations have its roots to the controversial Joint Marine Seismic Undertaking entered into by the Arroyo government with China in 2004 which allowed China and later on Vietnam to explore not only the Philippine-occupied islands in the disputed mineral-rich Spratlys but areas that are clearly Philippine territory.
    that explains why no matter what Pnoy does laging mali para sa kanya

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