3 million expected to ‘Stand Up, Speak Out’ against poverty

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I agree with you.

* uls,

the rally is there just to show that we are supporting the movement against poverty. un lang. nothing more.

a movement against poverty?

"Hey! there are lots of poor people here!"

Ummm... oookaaay... we know... we dont need a rally to tell us that... we see it everyday... on our way to work... on our way home... it's on the news everyday... heck im poor too

"We just want u guys to voice out and stand up against poverty."

Well, is there anyone out there who is NOT against poverty? Is there anyone out there who says "it's great being poor"?

It's not like a pro-death penalty and anti-death penalty issue where u have two groups who have very good arguments for and against.

Is there a Pro-poverty group u have to rally against? Is there a group of people who are unconvinced that poverty is bad? That they have to be convinced to rally against it?

A rally against poverty?

Poverty is a condition. Like pain. Like misery.

How about a rally against pain and misery?

Poverty is way too complex. It has to be broken down to individual issues then u debate those issues. Then u will see why poverty is hard to eliminate.

Here's an issue: high birth rate. They say that's one cause of poverty.

Limit the number of children. Now u have an issue. Pro-life and Pro-choice.

When u break down poverty to pieces, u will see stuff that divide people.

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a movement against poverty?

"Hey! there are lots of poor people here!"

Ummm... oookaaay... we know... we dont need a rally to tell us that... we see it everyday... on our way to work... on our way home... it's on the news everyday... heck im poor too

"We just want u guys to voice out and stand up against poverty."

Well, is there anyone out there who is NOT against poverty? Is there anyone out there who says "it's great being poor"?

It's not like a pro-death penalty and anti-death penalty issue where u have two groups who have very good arguments for and against.

Is there a Pro-poverty group u have to rally against? Is there a group of people who are unconvinced that poverty is bad? That they have to be convinced to rally against it?

A rally against poverty?

Poverty is a condition. Like pain. Like misery.

How about a rally against pain and misery?

Poverty is way too complex. It has to be broken down to individual issues then u debate those issues. Then u will see why poverty is hard to eliminate.

Here's an issue: high birth rate. They say that's one cause of poverty.

Limit the number of children. Now u have an issue. Pro-life and Pro-choice.

When u break down poverty to pieces, u will see stuff that divide people.

er... what i am saying is they are "with" the stand against poverty. nothing more. it's a start.

now what you are proposing are solutions against poverty, that's another agenda. it seems that you have a lot of ideas to help ease out poverty, why won't you share it with them?

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thanks.

now, i'm not an economist so kung may mali ako, kindly correct me. IMO, ang problema natin as a country is yung socio-economic demographic structure natin. sobrang wide-based ang lower class (yung mga tinatawag na class D and E). di ba parang pyramid ang socio-economic demographic structure natin? dahil malaki ang lower class, ang mga batas caters to them. why? (1) sila kasi ang majority, and (2) nasa kanila ang majority ng botante. dahil dito puro papogi ang mga batas na ipinapasa. self-propagating vicious cycle yan: malaki ang lower class --> ibinoboto nila ang mga popular na candidates (even those na wala talagang kakayahang mag-govern or mag-enact ng laws) --> and the candidates in turn cater to the lower class. at the same time, it is in the best interest of these people in power to keep the lower class in the lower class. why? kasi pag nabago ang demographic structure at naging well-educated ang lower class, ma-re-realize ng mga tao na ang mga popular laws na iginagawa ng mga public officials actually go against them in the long run.

ang goal dapat ng gobyerno ay at least (in the middle-term outlook) palakihin ang middle class. this way we will have more educated voters who will elect truly deserving candidates. (while this, of course, does not always follow; we can at least hope that the middle class has a better chance of electing a more deserving candidate than the uneducated impressionable lower class.) the truly deserving candidates (who will cater to their middle class constituency) will make laws which (hopefully) are more favorable to the country in general.

IMHO, the ultimate goal of the upper class is to maintain the status quo: eg, stay in power. the upper class wants to stay rich, and their best bet is to keep the lower class where they belong. as we can see, the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer. the gap is getting bigger and bigger. by putting the power in the middle class, we should have a more balanced society.

awaiting corrections, comments and criticisms. healthy discussion lang po.

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thanks.

now, i'm not an economist so kung may mali ako, kindly correct me. IMO, ang problema natin as a country is yung socio-economic demographic structure natin. sobrang wide-based ang lower class (yung mga tinatawag na class D and E). di ba parang pyramid ang socio-economic demographic structure natin? dahil malaki ang lower class, ang mga batas caters to them. why? (1) sila kasi ang majority, and (2) nasa kanila ang majority ng botante. dahil dito puro papogi ang mga batas na ipinapasa. self-propagating vicious cycle yan: malaki ang lower class --> ibinoboto nila ang mga popular na candidates (even those na wala talagang kakayahang mag-govern or mag-enact ng laws) --> and the candidates in turn cater to the lower class. at the same time, it is in the best interest of these people in power to keep the lower class in the lower class. why? kasi pag nabago ang demographic structure at naging well-educated ang lower class, ma-re-realize ng mga tao na ang mga popular laws na iginagawa ng mga public officials actually go against them in the long run.

ang goal dapat ng gobyerno ay at least (in the middle-term outlook) palakihin ang middle class. this way we will have more educated voters who will elect truly deserving candidates. (while this, of course, does not always follow; we can at least hope that the middle class has a better chance of electing a more deserving candidate than the uneducated impressionable lower class.) the truly deserving candidates (who will cater to their middle class constituency) will make laws which (hopefully) are more favorable to the country in general.

IMHO, the ultimate goal of the upper class is to maintain the status quo: eg, stay in power. the upper class wants to stay rich, and their best bet is to keep the lower class where they belong. as we can see, the rich are getting richer while the poor are getting poorer. the gap is getting bigger and bigger. by putting the power in the middle class, we should have a more balanced society.

awaiting corrections, comments and criticisms. healthy discussion lang po.

That exactly is our socio economic structure. A few rich and powerful people at the very top, a small middle class, and a huge underclass.

It is in the best interest of those at the top to see to it things dont change.
They would do anything to maintain the status quo.

Wages are kept low, business monopolies are protected from competition, the electoral system is prevented from modernization, everything that makes our country backwards... anything u can think of... there are unseen hands behind that resistance to change.