Dingel-The Reclusive Pinoy "Inventor"

**ghosthunter** · December 22nd, 2008 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by jpdm

I mentioned a hypothetical situation...the article was made in 2001...Im thinking of a possibility that in the next 10-15 years perhaps a new system can be perfected.

And looking forward to the future beyond the limited technology today...

...will it be possible to convert water EFFICIENTLY into hydrogen via other methods other than solar panels?

...So that the car will not carry anymore a ton of water to be converted inefficiently?

...and as an alternative to solar powered car or a gas-electric hybrid?

Hydrogen is never a source of power but a carrier of a energy only. The reason for such a statement is that hydrogen never occurs as a free element but always combined with other elements. To get hydrogen, you will need energy. The same energy is released when hydrogen is passed through a fuel cell or burned for heat.

So if solar panels become more efficient, it would be better to have the car as a gas-electric hybrid with solar panels to extend electric-only range.

Even as an alternative, using energy to electrolyze water to produce hydrogen is a very inefficient way to power any vehicle. Reasons are:

-energy is lost at every conversion step. Less power lost if its a single step.
-weight of the water would require more power to move vehicle
-adding complexity to a system that doesn't need it
-adding complex systems would add more cost to the vehicle
-adding systems that you dont need also eats onboard space
-reduced onboard space reduces useful cargo or people capacity
-complex systems tend to fail more

So in the end, there is no need to use water as fuel in ANY current or future vehicle's power system.

**jpdm** · December 22nd, 2008 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

That is what you may say now but in nearly every HHO/water-for-fuel discussion, the name of Dingel and BMW's hydrogen car has come out in the same paragraph.

And not to mention... this thread is about DINGEL as well. So if he is not being associated to the BMW hydrogen car, why even bring it up?

Yes, related topic sir. Everytime this water powered vehicle thing crops up (in the country), Dingel is mentioned.

and its associated (Pinoy's point of view)with Dingel's claims or theory (of a vehicle run by water) but has nothing to do with his "purported system." (because of his refusal to reveal his "invention" works to the public

)

Dingel as you said is a scammer. Water cannot be used as fuel. its not plausible.

But Im thinking, is his theory (water powered car and not his unverified questionable system)not really plausible?

The BMW case of course talks about a hydrogen powered car.

But the hydrogen used was extracted from water (via solar energy)...then pumped into the fuel system of the car...

Now...

....Can newer and more sophisticated technology perhaps come up with a system that will integrate the process ( water to hydrogen, hydrogen to fuel system of the car...) and can be done within the car?

Which means a water powered car....similar to what Dingel is claiming?

In other words, Dingel postulated that vehicle can run by using water, but by praxis he failed to prove it substantially (with his mysterious "system")

On the otherhand, the BMW car and perhaps the Japanese water powered car--- prove that the Theory (vehicles can run using water through a hybrid engine technology) holds true..

**jpdm** · December 22nd, 2008 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Hydrogen is never a source of power but a carrier of a energy only. The reason for such a statement is that hydrogen never occurs as a free element but always combined with other elements. To get hydrogen, you will need energy. The same energy is released when hydrogen is passed through a fuel cell or burned for heat.

So if solar panels become more efficient, it would be better to have the car as a gas-electric hybrid with solar panels to extend electric-only range.

Even as an alternative, using energy to electrolyze water to produce hydrogen is a very inefficient way to power any vehicle. Reasons are:

-energy is lost at every conversion step. Less power lost if its a single step.
-weight of the water would require more power to move vehicle
-adding complexity to a system that doesn't need it
-adding complex systems would add more cost to the vehicle
-adding systems that you dont need also eats onboard space
-reduced onboard space reduces useful cargo or people capacity
-complex systems tend to fail more

So in the end, there is no need to use water as fuel in ANY current or future vehicle's power system.

This is what I've been waiting for..a very clear explanation

Thanks for the insights sir

**creepy** · December 22nd, 2008 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by jpdm

Yes, related topic sir. Everytime this water powered vehicle thing crops up (in the country), Dingel is mentioned.

and its associated (Pinoy's point of view)with Dingel's claims or theory (of a vehicle run by water) but has nothing to do with his "purported system." (because of his refusal to reveal his "invention" works to the public

)

Dingel as you said is a scammer. Water cannot be used as fuel. its not plausible.

But Im thinking, is his theory (water powered car and not his unverified questionable system)not really plausible?

The BMW case of course talks about a hydrogen powered car.

But the hydrogen used was extracted from water (via solar energy)...then pumped into the fuel system of the car...

Im thinking...

....Can newer and more sophisticated technology perhaps come up with a system that will integrate the process ( water to hydrogen, hydrogen to fuel system of the car...) and can be done within the car?

Which means a water powered car....similar to what Dingel is claiming?

In other words, Dingel postulated that vehicle can run by using water, but by praxis he failed to prove it substantially (with his mysterious "system")

On the otherhand, the BMW car and perhaps the Japanese water powered car--- proves that the Theory (vehicles can run using water through a hybrid engine technology) holds true..

Hahahahaha!! Brilliant!!

Almost as brilliant as Dingel!!

**Burai** · December 22nd, 2008 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by jpdm

Thanks guys. I have learn alot from your posts.

As a person who has a very poor knowledge in auto mechanics (engineering and technology), your explanation gave me more insights about these gas-saving gadgets and about Dingel and this HHo...

what i learned from their post was common sense at all. di ko kilala yang taong yan pero my mind triggered the word common sense nga naman pag ang daming flows, ka ek ekan na sinasabi at ayaw ipa check at daming alibis.

base on their statement, when he doesn't want to show everything or prove anything the people wants to know -then there is something fishy going around there. he's hiding something

err.. just a try nga pala. can anyone nga pala differentiate honda's FCX technology to dingel's invention?

**jpdm** · December 22nd, 2008 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by creepy

Hahahahaha!! Brilliant!!

Almost as brilliant as Dingel!!

creepy troll during Christmas?

Monsters should have been DEAD after Halloween.

**XUV-AT2002** · December 22nd, 2008 05:52 PM

Water will remain water to power up living things only (not for machine) now and in the future.

**ghosthunter** · December 22nd, 2008 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Burai

err.. just a try nga pala. can anyone nga pala differentiate honda's FCX technology to dingel's invention?

Dingel's system - water in fuel tank is converted to hydrogen/oxygen via electrolysis. Power for electrolysis is taken from battery/alternator. Hydrogen and air is fed into the engine and regular engine cycle is done. Basically hydrogen is replacing gasoline. The more you step on the gas pedal, the more hydrogen is supposedly generated by the system. No hydrogen is stored on the vehicle.

Honda FCX - hydrogen is pumped into onboard hydrogen storage tank. Hydrogen and oxygen (from air) is flowed into onboard fuel cells. A fuel cell is a device which directly generates electricity from the reaction of hydrogen & oxygen chemically bonding via a catalyst. No actual combustion takes place. Electricity from the fuel cell is used to charge the battery and power the car's electric motor. The Honda FCX is basically an electric car without the large heavy battery.

**Gerbo** · December 22nd, 2008 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by XUV-AT2002

Water will remain water to power up living things only (not for machine) now and in the future.

Yup, the only thing proven using H2O as an auxiliary system to power things for transport is to put it in the mouth of donkeys, horses, and camels.

Just like grasses, it has been proven to produce ethanol (from wheat, rye, etc.) but the only way to get milk from it is to to have it passed through the mouth of cows.

IMO, and given the circumstances, Dingel's system does not work for the purpose of the so-called invention. He has failed.

Not accepting it as a failure and continue to allure people by giving false hopes only means one thing, DECEPTION.

Pambobola na. Now he has to pay for this by going to jail.

**dvldoc** · December 22nd, 2008 07:16 PM

What i learned is some people you just can't convince no matter what. And the fact they keep getting intellectually destroyed with every comment does not deter them a single bit. Some time it's just better to move on and let them babble because at the end of the day if they want to go waist there money on it let them.

Still plenty of these scam devices for sale all over the place. You can follow any thread on the internet and you will never see one piece of real proof, just the same old stuff over and over. It's almost like it's a form of brainwashing.

People that do not want to let it die tend to have a alternative motive.

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/cl...?next=1#paging

These guys deserve the same fate for fraud.