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July 4th, 2005 03:26 PM #41Originally Posted by alwayz_yummy
First of all I would like to acknowledge the nobility and sincerity of your advice. Thank you for your genuine concern.
However, your above post has made it obvious to me how you have grossly misunderstood me all along.
Allow me to clarify once again the main point of my discussion:
I do not believe, nor am I conveying the idea, that it is NECESSARY to
(a)shift an a/t into neutral, or
(b)step on the clutch of an m/t, when making a stop.
What I'm trying to convey here has something to do with EMERGENCY BRAKING.... not "conventional stopping".
As I've said before, I have both theorized and proven to myself (though not by quantitative means), that:
(a)shifting an a/t into neutral, or
(b)applying the clutch on an m/t,
will result in a shorter stopping distance in the event of emergency braking/stopping.
Since you seem to believe that I somehow do not understand what "engine braking" means, I assure you I do. Now, my question to you is this: Do you know what MMI and dashpot are? I ask you not because I want to showcase what little "scrounged up" bits of knowledge I have, but rather to make a point.
Once again, I thank you for your genuine concern, and I hope I've made my point a bit clearer this time.
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July 4th, 2005 04:11 PM #42Originally Posted by mazdamazda
If the driver has decided in a split second, to swerve around an obstacle, which do you think is going to happen first, him yanking the steering or him stepping on the brakes?
Of course, he's going to yank on the steering first. Why? Because his hands are already on the steering wheel, while his right foot is still coming out of the gas.
Because steering is more of in immediate access to the driver the timing of the application of the brakes, clutch, and shifter, become irrelevant until afterwards.
Besides, it is also a generally good idea to stop rather than just to swerve blindly. Unless yours is the only vehicle on the road, you run a good risk of hitting cars beside or behind you, or worse, the oncoming traffic, if you make it a habit to swerve around an obstacle.
In fact, it might even be more dangerous to develop the habit of swerving, than to practice the habit of hitting the clutch, or shifting an a/t into neutral.
(BTW, it's gotten more and more difficult for me to post with my slow dial-up connxn. I found out I had to log on everytime I need to make a post, hence my slow response.)
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July 4th, 2005 04:25 PM #43Originally Posted by Shadetree MKNX
Believe me... the ABS has already saved me a couple of times (coupled with the brake then steer technique)!
The most memorable is in our parking lot in the office which was newly painted & wet (from the rain). A very lethal mix when I turned a bit fast on a corner... the brakes were practically useless but I was still able to steer safely out of the obstacle (with just inches to spare).
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July 4th, 2005 06:04 PM #44Originally Posted by mazdamazda
I was thinking more of regular highway traffic and speeds where the unexpected can happen real fast, and there is very little time to think and react.
My idea of getting into the habit of slapping the a/t into neutral reduces the amount of things I have to check and consider before I react to any given traffic emergency. Diving to the right or left is kind of like a 3rd, even 4th option for me because I am usually in a relaxed state, and not in a state of heightened awareness, to be constantly aware of what's going on behind and beside me.
I have to admit, leaving both hands on the steering wheel should afford you the advantage of being able to steer better than with only the left hand on the wheel. However, I would also have to assert the fact that stopping in a straight line will definitely be much quicker with the a/t shifted into neutral. Perhaps, this is what Mercedes had in mind when they decided to develop their "brake assist" technology.
Given the way this discussion has turned out, I must agree with Mazdamazda that braking and steering is best carried out with both hands on the wheel. Just make sure you know where you're steering into.
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July 4th, 2005 07:31 PM #45Originally Posted by Shadetree MKNX
Originally Posted by Shadetree MKNX
Will though experiment which braking technique would be better (either clutch w/ brake or brake first, clutch later) for a manual tranny.
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July 4th, 2005 11:33 PM #46I tried slowing down from 40kph to 10kph really fast when I double clutched then pop the stick to 1st gear without stepping on the brakes that much. From time to time, I practice heel and toe when the road is clear.
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July 5th, 2005 12:56 PM #47Originally Posted by mazdamazda
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July 5th, 2005 02:19 PM #48Originally Posted by mazdamazda
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July 5th, 2005 02:40 PM #49Originally Posted by Shadetree MKNX
Originally Posted by Shadetree MKNX
If you really want to apply full braking power... then just pull up your emergency brakes. It is that simple.
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July 5th, 2005 03:46 PM #50
actually, the e-brake won't make you stop any faster if you're already on the brakes, as all the weight of your car is shifted to the front.
It will help you swap ends (spin sideways) quite easily though... although whether that's a good thing or not is debatable. :D
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