New Mitsubishi Montero Sport [ARCHIVED]

[av8or5]

downward sloping sector in sctex (Subic bound) would provide an extra 20kph at the very least depending on the car you are using.

With A/C off, my matic Strada GLS Sport hit almost 210kph on that slope. My SE just above the 200kph mark (barely broken in).

The lighter, more powerful Navara would definitely pass that slope faster than my trucks.

buti wala ka pa nakasabay na 4x4 navara, you dont want the navara to say bye bye to you :bye2:

it looks like this thread becomes a battle of Strada and Navara na hehehehpeace

^^ OT na.. you can check this thread battle of the pick ups

finally....meron na nagsabi OT na kayo dito.. Montero thread po eto..hindi po Strada or Navara comparison. magagalit si pres Mic ninyan. hehehhe peace sir mic.

[mic_21_ph]

Welcome to the Strada vs Navara Thread

Unfortunately we cannot post this topic in our website http://monterosportclubphil.proboards.com but the informations mentioned prior to this post are noteworthy

i wonder how can we tweak the 4m41 to match the others? Paging sir _ _ _ _ _, maybe you can share your experience withour 4m41 and have sirJB20689 test it

[Memphis Raines]

Let us not add fuel to the fire.

Fellow mods Doc Ooba and The Patriach, can we request you to kindly soft delete the off-topic posts.

Salamat po.

[jozef_10]

the exchange was interesting and informative. it would be a waste to just delete it imho

[JB20689]

the exchange was interesting and informative. it would be a waste to just delete it imho

+1 =)

The discussion was actually not definitive to Navara vs Strada. It was more of an actual analysis of the difference between a big displacement 2nd generation Crdi like the 4m41 and a smaller but VGT boosted Navara.

I wanted to make my Monty SE my medium for my explanations but I thought it would be more accurate if I use the Strada instead due to weight differences between the Monty and the Navara. I needed to use the Strada to bring out more concrete facts and to set out more appropriate example against the Navara. By class and category alone, it would be off to compare the MS with the Navara.

Mga boss, dont get us wrong. The discussion was mainly about the advantages of having a smaller, but more advanced CRDi powerplant over the 4m41. It is imperative to let our fellow members know that if ever MMPH decided to bolt 4d56HPs on our Stradas and Montys then it would be to our favor. - Remember the first statement raised about this was "I dont think MMPH would DOWNGRADE the engines on the SEs. Thats why they are called special edition"? Or something like that. hehehe

If that happens (dropping the thirsty, noisy 4m41 in way of 4d56hp), our MS would definitely be the best midsize SUV (non premium) in the market hands down!! It would be elegance, beauty, and brawn without guilt.

[JB20689]

Welcome to the Strada vs Navara Thread

Unfortunately we cannot post this topic in our website http://monterosportclubphil.proboards.com but the informations mentioned prior to this post are noteworthy

i wonder how can we tweak the 4m41 to match the others? Paging sir _ _ _ _ _, maybe you can share your experience withour 4m41 and have sirJB20689 test it

Hi sir mic!

The below suggestions are the best way to safely improve the power and torque output of our Montys regardless of model (2.5 or 3.2)

1. Install a piggyback computer to change the fuel mapping, ignition timing, and boost flow of the ECU (Emanage, Haltech, or Unichip)

2. Snap on a bigger front mounted air to air intercooler (bar and fin design if possible). Dont install too big intercoolers!! They may look angas and cool but surely inappropriate for our application. Pressure drop is one thing we want to prevent in upgrading our intercoolers. No need to change the original pipings. Just make sure the inlet and outlet of the intercooler will meet the original location of the pipings. You can save roughly 12k if we dont have the pipings fabricated (mandrel bent)

3. Freer flowing panel air filter. I strongly suggest not to install cone type aftermarket filters since it would suck hot air off the engine bay.

4. Get an alcohol injection kit. (Devil's own, Aem etc).. With this one we can safely raise the boost level of the turbo not to mention clean up the combustion internals. Mother nature friendly =)

5. No need to change the pipings of our exhaust system just the muffler. I think the OEM diameter of our exhaust system is 2.5 inches. Good enough since CRDI engines by nature isnt rev happy. They all cooked up at roughly around 4.5k rpm. At that range, we arent really making a lot of smoke so no need to increase the diameter. Howver, if we cant help ourselves the biggest we could install and not lose a lot of torque production at low rpms is 2.75 inches

6. Good fully syn oil like Royal Purple, Motul excess, Castrol Edge among others. Motul's 300v is too expensive for a lazy revving diesel engine.

7. 1 bottle of Bioactive per 50 liters of diesel. Take my word on this one... =)

8. Lastly but the most important of all, an accurate dynamometer like the one Carlos Gono has in Autoplus and Tommy Teng's flywheel units in Autoteknika. Autoplus would have much lower read out since it measures the power through the wheels which is more accurate as weight and inertia are being factored in the testing.

hmmmm.. ano pa ba?

A good tuner of course. Pacho and Tommy are two of the most famous and arguably the best tuners in the metro. Is Ferman doing the dyno tuning at Speedlab?

With these modifications at hand, Im confident I would be able to tune the 4m41 up to 200++ hp and approximately 450nm at the crank. Not to mention better FC and cleaner emissions

[drivensteven]

^^^ wow! Well-said, Sir JB20689!

Now I wonder how much will it cost for everything? Any ballpark figure(/s), sir? TIA

[dadz]

Hi sir mic!

The below suggestions are the best way to safely improve the power and torque output of our Montys regardless of model (2.5 or 3.2)

1. Install a piggyback computer to change the fuel mapping, ignition timing, and boost flow of the ECU (Emanage, Haltech, or Unichip) what kind of piggy back our rigs have 3 diffrent types of piggy back system (commonrail, injectors and ecu)?

2. Snap on a bigger front mounted air to air intercooler (bar and fin design if possible). Dont install too big intercoolers!! They may look angas and cool but surely inappropriate for our application. Pressure drop is one thing we want to prevent in upgrading our intercoolers. No need to change the original pipings. Just make sure the inlet and outlet of the intercooler will meet the original location of the pipings. You can save roughly 12k if we dont have the pipings fabricated (mandrel bent) Intercooler and not a turbo kit, but still kung hindi tugma problema pa din? Doind this with out the proper setting in you electonic system is still a problem.

3. Freer flowing panel air filter. I strongly suggest not to install cone type aftermarket filters since it would suck hot air off the engine bay.Ito malamang sencor problem and kasunod.

4. Get an alcohol injection kit. (Devil's own, Aem etc).. With this one we can safely raise the boost level of the turbo not to mention clean up the combustion internals. Mother nature friendly =)

5. No need to change the pipings of our exhaust system just the muffler. I think the OEM diameter of our exhaust system is 2.5 inches. Good enough since CRDI engines by nature isnt rev happy. They all cooked up at roughly around 4.5k rpm. At that range, we arent really making a lot of smoke so no need to increase the diameter. Howver, if we cant help ourselves the biggest we could install and not lose a lot of torque production at low rpms is 2.75 inches what types of metal to be use?

6. Good fully syn oil like Royal Purple, Motul excess, Castrol Edge among others. Motul's 300v is too expensive for a lazy revving diesel engine.

7. 1 bottle of Bioactive per 50 liters of diesel. Take my word on this one... =)

8. Lastly but the most important of all, an accurate dynamometer like the one Carlos Gono has in Autoplus and Tommy Teng's flywheel units in Autoteknika. Autoplus would have much lower read out since it measures the power through the wheels which is more accurate as weight and inertia are being factored in the testing.

hmmmm.. ano pa ba?

A good tuner of course. Pacho and Tommy are two of the most famous and arguably the best tuners in the metro. Is Ferman doing the dyno tuning at Speedlab?

With these modifications at hand, Im confident I would be able to tune the 4m41 up to 200++ hp and approximately 450nm at the crank. Not to mention better FC and cleaner emissions

sir only my question, my engine is use to be fully mod but mid this year binalik ko sa stock and i only keep my piggy back sa injectors and commonrail. A stock is much better hindi naman tayo kakarera hehehehhehehe peace to all.

[sergi]

yeah. it seems to me that some of our brothers here are so speed enamored as if they want to convert their SUV's into a sports car or coupe. In the first place if you were really into speed, you should have bought a sports car in the first place and not a people/family/cargo hauler. It's as if you bought a rottweiler and you want it to run like a greyhound. Then why not buy a greyhound if that was the case.

Just my 2 cents worth. Peace mga bros.

[JB20689]

yeah. it seems to me that some of our brothers here are so speed enamored as if they want to convert their SUV's into a sports car or coupe. In the first place if you were really into speed, you should have bought a sports car in the first place and not a people/family/cargo hauler. It's as if you bought a rottweiler and you want it to run like a greyhound. Then why not buy a greyhound if that was the case.

Just my 2 cents worth. Peace mga bros.

not necessarily true sir.. I just answered sir Migs question on how to tweak the 4m41 to match the others.. Just laying out the possible options for our members who might consider upgrading their engines in the future. Atleast they have an idea na =)

Honestly, with all the mods I have mentioned, our MS is still incapable of being converted into a sports car so I wont even dare to try it myself. The estimated more or less 200++ hp carrying a 2105 kg car would be lucky to hit 0-100kph as fast as a stock 2.0L diesel sedan with powershift double clutch tranny. It means it still wont be sports car fast.

As for my experience, it doesnt matter how much mods you put in to your automobile or how fast your car has become for that matter. What matter is how we drive our cars. Its all about discipline and proper ethics on the road.

Modding an suv or a pick up truck doesnt automatically mean a person is a speedfreak. There is also a possibility that they need the extra power when going off road while carrying a full load. Or more pulling prowess when taking steep mountain hills like Baguio in full load. It would be so much better if we know our engines do possess more power and torque on tap even if you dont need to use it often because when the need arises the extra ponys are there to back us up. =)

We just need to be responsible enough to know when really is the right time to use the extra power. Because if we use it rightfully, I firmly believe it would aid more to our safety and convinience rather than to a potential accident.