ISSUES FOR THE MONTERO SPORT. Please post them here.

[Monseratto]

Sirs, nakalimutan niyo that the 4M41 engine is now on its 3rd generation. Even though may VGT na siya dati pa (Euro and Australian models), yung 3rd gen na 3.2 4M41 now has 197 hp and 441 Nm of torque! I saw it sa Mitsubishi Australia website. So for me, hindi i-phephase out ang 3.2 4M41. Instead, MMPC will introduce the 3.2 4M41 with VGT for the Montero Sport, Pajero, and Strada; and they will also introduce the 2.5 4D56 with VGT for the Montero Sport and Strada.

There is a 3.2 VGT but it is exclusively used in the Pajero outside the country. Talked to John Trinidad of Union Moto OTIS and he said the 3.2 GLS SE will be phased out locally. Mitsubishi Phil may not use the same spec'd engine in their mid-level(MS) and high-level (pajero) this time around. The 3.2 VGT may only appear in next year's Pajero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubi...ercooled_turbo

4M41
Displacement — 3200 cc
Bore — 98.5 mm
Stroke — 105.0 mm
Fuel type — Diesel

Variable geometry intercooled turbo
Fuel system — Electronic control type distributor type pump (direct injection inside diesel tube) or Common Rail Direct Injection
Compression ratio — 17:1, 16.0:1
Power — 129 kW (175 PS), 147 kW (200 PS) at 3800 rpm
Torque — 382 N·m (282 lb·ft), 441 N·m (325 lb·ft) at 2000 rpm

Applications:

[size=3]2006-present Mitsubishi Pajero[/size]

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com.au/...specifications

[numbah5]

Hay Union Motors again! Wala akong tiwala sa mga sinasabi nila. And your source on the 4M41 is unreliable. Wikipedia. And I did not say na merong 3.2 ang Challenger. What I mean is that I saw the 4M41's specs in the website of Mitsubishi Australia. And knowing Mitsubishi, hindi nila i-phephase out ang 3.2 4M41 sa Strada at Montero Sport. Andyan pa rin yun. Oh sige, kung ayaw ng Mitsubishi na parehas ang makina ng high end na SUV nila sa mid end SUV nila, bakit ang Toyota magkaparehas ang makina ng high end SUV nila (Prado) at mid end SUV nila (Fortuner)? In the business sense, ayaw yan ng Mitsubishi kasi lahat ng competitors niya may 3.0 diesel engine. It does not want its potential clients to have a single choice when it comes to engine.

[Monseratto]

I read here somewhere that MS 2.5 VGT could retail at P 1.8M. Paano pag 3.2 VGT?

[locoroco777]

Sirs, nakalimutan niyo that the 4M41 engine is now on its 3rd generation. Even though may VGT na siya dati pa (Euro and Australian models), yung 3rd gen na 3.2 4M41 now has 197 hp and 441 Nm of torque! I saw it sa Mitsubishi Australia website. So for me, hindi i-phephase out ang 3.2 4M41. Instead, MMPC will introduce the 3.2 4M41 with VGT for the Montero Sport, Pajero, and Strada; and they will also introduce the 2.5 4D56 with VGT for the Montero Sport and Strada.

Let's make himay himay muna the facts bro.... medyo nalilito kasi ako hehe

the 4m41 that you are referring to that has the 197hp and 441nm of torque is the one installed in the AUSTRALIAN SPEC PAJERO which I think the 3rd generation that has VGT as what you have said, and it is not installed in the new version of either the Challenger nor the Triton, However here in our shores, the local spec pajero has a detuned 4m41 that has an output of 373nm of torque and 165hp for the reason that it has to be able to adapt to the low quality fuel, as you can see it has a slightly higher output than the montero and strada because It has a factory tweaked ECU obviously for the purpose of carrying the much more heavier body of the pajero...the one that I'am not sure about regarding the local pajero is if it has a conventional turbo or a VGT already...that I have yet to find out because the brochures and the website does not indicate it...and I wasn't able to ask the mechanic last PMS regarding it...But I have a strong feeling that it still doesn't have a VGT because of the said low output.

Now, when did you last checked the australian Mitsu website?

because I just checked it right now....all the current challenger/montero and Triton that is being sold in the aussie market already has a High powered version of the 4d56 with VGT.....Which means that they already have phased out the 4m41 for both challenger and triton in the land down under, So meaning the only platform that the 4m41 VGT will be installed to is the Pajero....

So although its really music in the ears when we hear a 4m41 with Variable Geometry Turbo getting installed in the MS and Strada its already wishful thinking for us, because Mitsu australia has already junked the idea of putting it to their Challenger and Triton....what more in mitsu thailand where our Strada and MS come from. right? and besides imagine how the price would sky rocket if thats gonna be installed in the strada and montero...maybe 150 to 250k more you can already buy a pajero...

So what am I seeing now in the very near future (next year) is a high powered version of the 4d56 with VGT being installed in the Montero and Strada with bizzziiimmm bizzziiimmm sound when your rev it going down the cargo ship in batangas port....

though I'm not totally rejecting the idea of the Monty and Strada having a 4m41 with VGT....it still might happen for the years to come especially when the market gets more "POWAH HUNGREEY"...

In short, there is still a lot of aspects that I didn't mentioned in this post,
Which can be more vividly discussed with beer infront of us in one of the EB's

We'll wait for you bro...^__^

[locoroco777]

Hay Union Motors again! Wala akong tiwala sa mga sinasabi nila. And your source on the 4M41 is unreliable. Wikipedia. And I did not say na merong 3.2 ang Challenger. What I mean is that I saw the 4M41's specs in the website of Mitsubishi Australia. And knowing Mitsubishi, hindi nila i-phephase out ang 3.2 4M41 sa Strada at Montero Sport. Andyan pa rin yun. Oh sige, kung ayaw ng Mitsubishi na parehas ang makina ng high end na SUV nila sa mid end SUV nila, bakit ang Toyota magkaparehas ang makina ng high end SUV nila (Prado) at mid end SUV nila (Fortuner)? In the business sense, ayaw yan ng Mitsubishi kasi lahat ng competitors niya may 3.0 diesel engine. It does not want its potential clients to have a single choice when it comes to engine.

I think I have to disagree with the highlighted part....assuming they already launched the 4d56 with VGT, why would you keep a bigger displacement engine that has a lower output and launch a smaller displacement that can top the output and performance of that bigger engine right? kumbaga parang its a little bit unlogical,

heres an assumptive situation, lets say hindi nga iphase out ang 4m41 and they launch the 4d56-VGT.....ang lilitaw nyan is parang ang magiging lowend variant is yung naka 4m41 diba? so dun palang parang ang awkward na... isipin mo mas malaki yung displacement ng engine compared sa top of the line so I think MMPC wouldn't do that kahit na sabihin mo lower yung output ng 4m41 wala pa ata akong nakitang car company na mas malaki ang makina ng lowend variant compared sa topend variant... so kung ikaw ang consumer...bibili ka ba ng mas high maintenance na mas malakas kumain ng krudo na lowend pa? syempre hinde diba? although price can also be an issue but the thing is inde parin akma yung idea na imaintain paring ang existing 4m41 sa strada and montero kung sasabayan mo lang din ng highpowered 4d56 VGT....So ang palagay ko nyan ang magiging lowend variant is a factory tweaked 4d56 non VGT that has a same output with the existing 4m41 today... and a higher powered 4m41 that has a VGT will probably sooner or later emerged in the pajero BK....

But then again...I'm just assuming....posibleng paring mangyari yung sinasabi mo bro....

[numbah5]

Let me say this: I did not say that the Australian Challenger has the 4M41 VGT. I just said I saw its specs on the website of Mitsu Australia. I never said that it is installed on the Challenger. And let me say this, the 4D56 VGT is already the engine of the Australian market Strada for 2-3 years AFAIK. The Australian version has the VGT because its diesel fuel is much cleaner than ours. Even Europe will get the 2.5 VGT engine for the Strada because it has cleaner diesel fuel than ours. If Thailand will be getting the 2.5 VGT engine for both the Strada and the Montero Sport, then I will believe that we will be getting the 2.5 VGT also.

As for the local Pajero's 3.2 engine, wala pang VGT yun and it is the 2nd gen 4M41. The VGT version of the 2nd gen 4M41 has a 170 hp while the wastegate turbo has 165 hp. The 3rd gen 4M41 already has 197 hp and 441 Nm of torque, and it has VGT. Only the Australian and European markets have this engine.

[Monseratto]

I wonder ano specs and features ng Monetro Sport next year?

[easyman3]

I think I have to disagree with the highlighted part....assuming they already launched the 4d56 with VGT, why would you keep a bigger displacement engine that has a lower output and launch a smaller displacement that can top the output and performance of that bigger engine right? kumbaga parang its a little bit unlogical,

heres an assumptive situation, lets say hindi nga iphase out ang 4m41 and they launch the 4d56-VGT.....ang lilitaw nyan is parang ang magiging lowend variant is yung naka 4m41 diba? so dun palang parang ang awkward na... isipin mo mas malaki yung displacement ng engine compared sa top of the line so I think MMPC wouldn't do that kahit na sabihin mo lower yung output ng 4m41 wala pa ata akong nakitang car company na mas malaki ang makina ng lowend variant compared sa topend variant... so kung ikaw ang consumer...bibili ka ba ng mas high maintenance na mas malakas kumain ng krudo na lowend pa? syempre hinde diba? although price can also be an issue but the thing is inde parin akma yung idea na imaintain paring ang existing 4m41 sa strada and montero kung sasabayan mo lang din ng highpowered 4d56 VGT....So ang palagay ko nyan ang magiging lowend variant is a factory tweaked 4d56 non VGT that has a same output with the existing 4m41 today... and a higher powered 4m41 that has a VGT will probably sooner or later emerged in the pajero BK....

But then again...I'm just assuming....posibleng paring mangyari yung sinasabi mo bro....

So puwedeng upgrade my 3.2 4m41 engine by installing VGT? woooo.... Powerfull engine yan.

4d56 with vgt is less powerfull than 4m41 with vgt?

hmmmmmmmmmm.......

[easyman3]

[SIZE=3]I placed my doubt in the display of my MS 2.5 GLS, when I left home the other day, the display is that the Diesel I have presently can cover 190 km run, so I left kalookan-airport-kalookan, when I returned home it is still 190 km which mean not right.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]So any idea if there is way to calibrate & makes it reliable equipment & not just pang porma lang. Also I tried the elevation reading, riding over the bridge(over pass) along edsa, wala rin pinagbago-elevation is 0.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]At present this are the issue of my MS almost 3month old.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=3]Thanks for any info-RTS[/SIZE]

Every intake of gasoline from gas stations. you need to reset your MID to be accurate.

[easyman3]

Anyone notice the 2.5 VGT has a higher power/torque than the present 3.2 DID. It would make sense to phase out the 3.2 GLS SE since the engine is used in the upper Pajero model.

Rare na nga ang GLS SE namin kung ganyan. Alagaan ng mabuti ang exotic na baby ninyo........hehehehheh