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December 7th, 2005 10:02 PM #12if you look closely sa gagastusin, you're probably better off buying a turbo engine for your eclipse. A friend of mine modified his eclipse engine (I'm not sure of the year model pero eto yung quadrado pa na model) to fit drag race specs...he spent some P800k na (engine pa lang)....he almost replaced every bit and piece nito...got the parts abroad mostly (one at a time naman hindi biglaan)...his whole car (stock condition) was bought less than P300k.
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December 8th, 2005 09:41 AM #13
from Botchi off mmph:
1.) Turbo - ideally a T28- T3 sized turbine from Garret or anything similarly sized; this gives good throttle response, minimal lag and enough top-end power for 1.6 liter Mitsu engines, even the MIVEC ones. Bigger 2.0 liter engines can get a size bigger. Can be 2nd-hand / surplus or BNEW, just make sure its still in good working order.
2.) Fuel management - you'll need at least an additional injector controller (AIC) and 1 or 2 injectors with a total flow-rate of 700-1000cc/min. HKS and GReddy make AIC's, you can find various injectors at your favorite surplus shop. Trust me, an Apex'i S-AFC won't hack it here because an S-AFC cannot determine / identify boost. Hence, though you might be able to tune for 100% WOT at any RPM in max boost, any TPS reading in between with varying amounts of boost will cause poor engine performance. An adjustable fuel-pressure regulator won't also be enough in this case since the fuel pressure adjusts linearly, even with boost-dependent fuel pressure regulators. You need to be able to tune based on RPM, boost, TPS and actual engine load. It has to ba an AIC at the very minimum so you can squeeze out the most out of the set-up yet not be wasteful of fuel so it has a constantly safe AFR. Kung sosyal ka like Fatbastard, get a complete piggy-back ECU so pati ignition map / timing pwede galawin.
3.) Intercooler - any will do but ideally find something that has a large surface area even if the core isn't as thick. Surface area is more important especially in low-boost applications on relatively high-comp engines (for turbo). Not to mention it adds more visual aggression on your car if there's a huge i/c core jutting out of your bumper.
4.) Manifold and i/c piping - this is critical if you want a really nice and fast spooling turbo set-up. I've seen so many poorly designed and poorly built manifolds from both custom-fabricators AND big-name brands.
5.) Downpipe - you don't need to get a full exhaust system (though it is much better if you do so), you'll need to mate the turbo with the current exhaust that you have.
6.) Uprated clutch for manual transmissions - the stock clutch won't hack it here as well, you'll just spin the clutch. Don't ask me how I know. Traumatic explaining to an irate customer that his car makes 2x more power than his clutch can handle.
7.) Additional fuel lines for the AIC, oil lines for the turbo and water cooling lines (this depends on the turbo you plan to use if its water cooled as well).
8.) Highest octane fuel you can get (Petron BLAZE) and sparkplug 1-2 heat ranges colder.
9.) Boost gauge, a must in any turbocharged car.
10.) Proper tuning - without this, you just literally set on fire your hard-earned money
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December 8th, 2005 01:05 PM #14
ang sikip na pala kapag may turbo..for me it is better to upgrade the internals first then the turbo will be the last..
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December 8th, 2005 02:21 PM #15Originally Posted by gearspeed
yes and no.
You will need to plan ahead. If you plan to install a turbo, you will need to modifiy your engine's internals accordingly. If you plan to go N/A, then its a slightly different direction for your mods. It is not a matter of "I have decided to go turbo tomorrow since I have a JUN modified B16A n/A engine" thingie...
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December 8th, 2005 03:41 PM #16
your engine has to be capable of forced induction of that strength. prepare your engine a little bit for that. But, you can easily find forced induction parts for your specific engine on the internet. just keep searching. My cousin has a mitsubishi 3000GT, he had to import his performance parts, and I think the turbo for his Mitsu..was about 3000 dollars.. we're talkin P150,000.00 plus! So, be wise about your investments.
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December 8th, 2005 07:09 PM #18Originally Posted by KrisKros
thats why its a better choice to simply swap the stock n/a engine for a factory turbo engine. It will much cost less for the same power and factory reliability too.
Choice I would have made as well.:nod:
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