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    #51
    Quote Originally Posted by wowiesy View Post
    kung talagang lumipat ang big 3.. at ipatong nila sa prices ng fuel hindi ba sila aangal? kung mawalan ng trabaho mga manileno, mabibigyan ba nila ng trabaho ? yung mga magugutom sa area ng pandacan, mapapakain ba nila???
    Increase gas prices by the big 3? Why not go past them and gas up in your nearest Total, Flying V, Seaoil, Unioil. If you have other reasons in buying gas from Petron, Shell or Caltex, your call.

    Manileños losing their job? Some will lose and some will gain in another location perhaps.

    What about the profit of the Big3, dealers, etc, how come nobody has the guts to even admit that this is what they are really trying to preserve? Money money money - billions of them.

    These are arguments in preservation of property.

    The SC decision takes life into consideration..."Right to life enjoys precedence over the right to property" according to their decision.

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    #52
    Quote Originally Posted by DonCamote View Post
    Increase gas prices by the big 3? Why not go past them and gas up in your nearest Total, Flying V, Seaoil, Unioil. If you have other reasons in buying gas from Petron, Shell or Caltex, your call.

    Manileños losing their job? Some will lose and some will gain in another location perhaps.

    What about the profit of the Big3, dealers, etc, how come nobody has the guts to even admit that this is what they are really trying to preserve? Money money money - billions of them.

    These are arguments in preservation of property.

    The SC decision takes life into consideration..."Right to life enjoys precedence over the right to property" according to their decision.
    So tuloy ang laban ng pro at anti Big 3 kahit na may final SC ruling?.

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    #53
    just d same sa issue regarding sa US base, kesyo maraming mawawalan ng trabaho, maraming magugutom, sumabog ang pinatubo evacuate ang amerkano, then ang mga filipino as sa kanyang human nature nag adapt sa situation ng switch ng kabuhayan, yung dating mga GRO nag bago ng ikabubuhay,tuloy pa rin ang buhay, ganoon din yan.

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    #54
    Quote Originally Posted by DonCamote View Post
    Increase gas prices by the big 3? Why not go past them and gas up in your nearest Total, Flying V, Seaoil, Unioil. If you have other reasons in buying gas from Petron, Shell or Caltex, your call.
    in this case, it just so happens na big 3 ang may depot sa pandacan... but in any locality, regardless kung big player o small player... they will still have their own depots... from a business point of view, depending on the volume ng benta ng oil player, malalaman kung gaano kalaki ang gagawing depot in any location... pag mas maliit.. less ang risk... pag mas malaki.. definitely mas malaki ang risk... but a depot, regardless of any size will still be a risk.. mag de depende na lang sa laki ng depot... should all LGUs enact an ordinance na bawal magtayo ng depot to preserve life?


    Manileños losing their job? Some will lose and some will gain in another location perhaps.
    true din ito.. i agree... baka nga yung mga manileno na mawawalan ng trabaho ang mismong lilipat uli sa lilipatan ng oil depots in pandacan eh... but ang point ko, the decision shouldn't have been a simple STAY or GO.. it should've been STAY or GO.... IN XXX MONTHS OR YEARS.. with the necessary transitory provisions....

    What about the profit of the Big3, dealers, etc, how come nobody has the guts to even admit that this is what they are really trying to preserve? Money money money - billions of them.
    it is really about money... if the pandacan depots stay, they don't have to invest another few billions to move... if they go, whether they like it or not they have to invest and earn it back in time... eventually, it is the consumer who pays for it... it is a given that the business should make a profit otherwise there's no reason in going to business at all....

    The SC decision takes life into consideration..."Right to life enjoys precedence over the right to property" according to their decision.
    agree naman ako na right to life takes precendence over right to property... but giving 6 months to move?? hindi to case na nakabili ka ng bahay at kailangan lumipat dahil yung kasalukuyang tinitirahan mo eh binebenta na ng may ari... ang point ko to my original post.. (hmm.. oo nga naman parang hindi ko nailagay dun)... lumipat sila.. but make the transition realistic...

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    #55
    Quote Originally Posted by DonCamote View Post
    The SC decision takes life into consideration..."Right to life enjoys precedence over the right to property" according to their decision.
    idagdag ko pa... right to life has a price... right to property has a price also... in the short term kapag preserved ang status quo.. i guess the price to pay will be told in time.. kapag talagang naging victim ng attack or accident ang area.. and then everybody will say "sabi na nga ba.. "... kapag naman lumipat sila.. in the short term also... may kapalit yun.. safety nga sa lugar... safety ang mga nakatira sa area... but pagbabayaran din iyon in some other way (higher prices, longer lines at pump retail, unstable supply perhaps).. basta may kapalit pa rin yan..

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    #56
    Atienza dares Lim: Veto oil depot measure



    Philippine Daily Inquirer
    First Posted 00:41:00 05/17/2009


    MANILA, Philippines—Environment Secretary and former Manila Mayor Lito Atienza on Saturday challenged current Mayor Alfredo Lim to veto City Ordinance No. 7177, which would pave the way for the continued stay in the city of oil depots and other major industries.
    For her part, Councilor Ma. Lourdes Isip-Garcia threatened to file charges against Lim should he decide to sign the controversial measure.
    Lim has yet to sign the proposed ordinance, which creates zones for medium and heavy industries in Manila, into law.
    Lim said he had not made up his mind on the issue although he said that health and public safety would be his primary considerations vis-à-vis the fate of the city’s major industries.
    “Now is the time for Mayor Lim to show genuine concern for Manilans after residents and other affected sectors expressed their overwhelming rejection of the local legislation which welcomes what (the majority councilors) termed as the “most pollutive and extremely hazardous” industries in the capital city, Atienza said in a statement.
    Atienza also admonished Vice Mayor Francisco “Isko Moreno” Domagoso and the city’s majority councilors for “railroading” Ordinance 7177, saying their move was “highly irresponsible.”
    “The new ordinance will definitely put Manileños at great risk, and at the same time negate efforts of the national government to rehabilitate the country’s important water bodies, including the Pasig River,” the former mayor added.
    “I’m seriously contemplating charging him (Lim) if he signs it,” Garcia told the Inquirer. “I’m still studying it, but he could be charged with grave abuse of discretion because he’s signing an illegal ordinance.” Tina G. Santos
    Pipirmahan kaya yan ni Mayor Lim?

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    #57
    Ayos sa psy-war si Atienza ah. It's his fault why those depots are still there.

    Being the nemesis of Lim, he could've been paid to do a psywar. Tell Lim in public the opposite of what he wants done, Lim, if he lets pride get the best of him, will fall into the trap and actually sign the stupid ordinance into law.

    The eviction of those depots is long overdue. Kaya hindi malinis ang Pasig river because of the factories in its banks.

    This is all about money. Bottomline all leads to money. Mukhang pera talaga yung mga nakaupo. hehehe. Ang sarap maging businessman sa ganitong bansa where authority can be slapped with a bundle of money to look the other way all the time.

    Kakatawa din itong mga councilors, kunwari concerned sa mga citizens nila. hahahaha! Mga ungas, nabayaran lang kayo. Magkano lang ba isa sa mga yan. With billions of oil profit money, oil companies can even make them sell their citizens through an ordinance. :bwahaha:

    Ganyan kabulok ang mga tao Govt na ito. Except siguro mga ilang tao lang na wala pang sampu. I've been exposed far too long to this type of animals. Scientific name: Homo Corruptus.

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    #58
    Mayor Lim signs city ordinance 7177, which allows the continued stay of the oil depots...tuloy ang demandahan

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