Russia's 'invasion and occupation' of Ukrainian territory.

[uls]

after negotiation stopped, from that time forward, letting russia keep crimea and donbass was never mentioned again

from that time forward, zelensky and the West repeatedly stated that the goal is to take back all territory including crimea

ok then keep fighting

yan ang gusto nila eh

[uls]

you should re-watch the video you posted

i understood the whole timeline

you're confused

[uls]

uulitin ko

kung natuloy ang nego, russia gets to keep what it already controls -- crimea and parts of eastern ukraine (donbass)

and ukraine promises not to join NATO

which part isn't clear?


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"Crimea is part of Russia and it’s non-negotiable” - Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov

doon sa deal, russia wasn't asked to return crimea to ukraine

russia gets to keep crimea and parts of eastern ukraine

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ok na sana eh

pero ayaw ng US/UK matuloy nego

gusto nila gera

ok sige

[tsupermario]

Zelenskyy: Horror in Bucha, Borodianka, and Mariupol making Ukraine lose faith in negotiations with Russia
Denys Karlovskyi – Thursday, 14 April 2022, 22:01

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine is convinced that it is increasingly less likely that peace talks with Russia will yield any results after the horrible crimes Russian occupying troops committed in Mariupol and the towns and villages of the Kyiv region.

According to Zelenskyy: "Bucha has made us reconsider [the likelihood of successful peace talks with Russia].

It’s not me. It’s Russia. It will no longer have much of a chance to talk to us."

Details: Zelenskyy said that he experienced the full spectrum of human feelings when he visited the sites of Russian war crimes in Bucha. He added that by the end of that day he felt nothing but hatred for Russian soldiers.

In the interview, Zelenskyy called all of the Russian political and military leadership, from Putin at the top down to the rank and file, war criminals.

Zelenskyy explained that Russian occupiers killed and tortured tens of thousands of people in Mariupol. Even more people were forcibly taken to remote regions of Russia and were stripped of their Ukrainian citizenship.

Zelenskyy to meet Putin after Ukraine's victory in major battles - Mykhailo Podoliak | Ukrayinska Pravda

[uls]

where's western media coverage about ukraine shelling russian speakers in donbass since 2014

ukrainians killing russian speaking ukrainians

if you only get your news from western media you don't know about it

russia had to go into the donbass to protect those people

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anyway, it's useless talking about negotiations

malinaw naman ayaw ng US (zelensky has no power to decide he's only an employee)

the US wants to prolong this war to wear down russia

using ukraine

so if you're taiwan or japan mag isip isip kayo kung gusto niyo magpagamit

[tsupermario]

where's western media coverage about ukraine shelling russian speakers in donbass since 2014

ukrainians killing russian speaking ukrainians

if you only get your news from western media you don't know about it

russia had to go into the donbass to protect those people

Ukraine and West see false flags flying as pro-Russian separatists urge civilian evacuation
After a car explodes in Donetsk, Putin says he will help refugees fleeing to Russia.

FEBRUARY 18, 2022

False-flag operations that Ukraine and Western intelligence services had warned about for weeks appeared to begin Friday as a car exploded in Donetsk, the largest city in the breakaway areas of Donbass, and as separatist leaders called for a mass evacuation of civilians to Russia.

The call for an emergency evacuation was issued by Denis Pushilin, the leader of the Donetsk People’s Republic, one of two Russian-backed separatist governments, in a speech in which he claimed that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy was planning a military attack — an allegation that drew swift, forceful denials from the Ukrainian government.

On Saturday morning, a new video from Pushilin went even further, calling on local residents to pick up arms and “defend their families, children, wives and mothers.” Russian state-funded media swiftly circulated the announcement.

Western powers, including the United States, have warned for weeks that Russian President Vladimir Putin might use some type of fabricated provocation in the separatist areas as justification for a military strike or even a widescale invasion of Ukraine.

For that reason, Washington and the capitals of other NATO allies have strongly pressed Zelenskiy to limit his military’s response to ceasefire violations and to avoid being provoked into a conflict with potentially catastrophic consequences for his country. Georgia is widely viewed as having fallen into such a Russian trap in 2008, leading to a brief, disastrous war.
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Western governments have been compiling detailed lists of examples of Russian disinformation that could potentially be used by Putin to justify an invasion or other attack of Ukraine. The Russian president has warned that he could be forced to take “military-technical” measures if the West does not respond adequately to a raft of security guarantees that he demanded in December.
The U.S. and NATO rejected most of those demands, including a guarantee that Ukraine never join the alliance and the removal of all allied forces from Eastern Europe as “non-starters.” But they have said they are willing to negotiate with Moscow on an array of other issues, including nuclear arms control.

Ukrainian soldiers on the front lines in Donbass have expressed frustration at the orders from Kyiv to avoid retaliating against ceasefire violations by the separatist side. And Western officials have repeatedly praised Ukraine for showing restraint in the face of the menacing threat of more than 100,000 Russian troops and heavy weapons massed on its borders.

On Friday, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry also flatly denied any plan to attack the occupied areas, and accused the separatists of being responsible for a spike in ceasefire violations in recent days, including shelling that damaged two schools.

“While shelling Ukrainian educational facilities and residential buildings, the Russian mercenaries at the same time are spreading information about alleged offensive operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the temporarily occupied territories,” the defense ministry said. “This is disinformation.”

Vitali Klitschko, the mayor of Kyiv and former world boxing champion, who was attending the Munich Security Conference, had a different word for it. “Bullshit,” he told POLITICO.

Ukraine and West see false flags flying as pro-Russian separatists urge civilian evacuation – POLITICO

[Ry_Tower]

where's western media coverage about ukraine shelling russian speakers in donbass since 2014

ukrainians killing russian speaking ukrainians

if you only get your news from western media you don't know about it

russia had to go into the donbass to protect those people

--

anyway, it's useless talking about negotiations

malinaw naman ayaw ng US (zelensky has no power to decide he's only an employee)

the US wants to prolong this war to wear down russia

using ukraine

so if you're taiwan or japan mag isip isip kayo kung gusto niyo magpagamit

Nag-iisip naman yan.

Democracy or communism. Yan lang naman pagpipilian ng Taiwan or Japan eh.

Ikaw lang naman kasi nag-aassume na hindi nila alam mga bagay-bagay. Ikaw lang naman dito feeling na hindi marunong magdecide isang bansa para sa sarili nila.

Sana makaharap mo isang Ukrainian at sabihin sa kanya ng harap-harapan na okay lang invade sila ng Russia.

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[111prez]

Nag-iisip naman yan.

Democracy or communism. Yan lang naman pagpipilian ng Taiwan or Japan eh.

Ikaw lang naman kasi nag-aassume na hindi nila alam mga bagay-bagay. Ikaw lang naman dito feeling na hindi marunong magdecide isang bansa para sa sarili nila.

Sana makaharap mo isang Ukrainian at sabihin sa kanya ng harap-harapan na okay lang invade sila ng Russia.

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Shhhh at baka susugurin ka ng Wagner o CCP fanbois

[tsupermario]

Ukraine and West see false flags flying as pro-Russian separatists urge civilian evacuation
After a car explodes in Donetsk, Putin says he will help refugees fleeing to Russia.

FEBRUARY 18, 2022

False-flag operations that Ukraine and Western intelligence services had warned about for weeks appeared to begin Friday as a car exploded in Donetsk, the largest city in the breakaway areas of Donbass, and as separatist leaders called for a mass evacuation of civilians to Russia.

The call for an emergency evacuation was issued by Denis Pushilin, the leader of the Donetsk People’s Republic, one of two Russian-backed separatist governments, in a speech in which he claimed that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy was planning a military attack — an allegation that drew swift, forceful denials from the Ukrainian government.

On Saturday morning, a new video from Pushilin went even further, calling on local residents to pick up arms and “defend their families, children, wives and mothers.” Russian state-funded media swiftly circulated the announcement.

Western powers, including the United States, have warned for weeks that Russian President Vladimir Putin might use some type of fabricated provocation in the separatist areas as justification for a military strike or even a widescale invasion of Ukraine.

For that reason, Washington and the capitals of other NATO allies have strongly pressed Zelenskiy to limit his military’s response to ceasefire violations and to avoid being provoked into a conflict with potentially catastrophic consequences for his country. Georgia is widely viewed as having fallen into such a Russian trap in 2008, leading to a brief, disastrous war.
…

Western governments have been compiling detailed lists of examples of Russian disinformation that could potentially be used by Putin to justify an invasion or other attack of Ukraine. The Russian president has warned that he could be forced to take “military-technical” measures if the West does not respond adequately to a raft of security guarantees that he demanded in December.
The U.S. and NATO rejected most of those demands, including a guarantee that Ukraine never join the alliance and the removal of all allied forces from Eastern Europe as “non-starters.” But they have said they are willing to negotiate with Moscow on an array of other issues, including nuclear arms control.

Ukrainian soldiers on the front lines in Donbass have expressed frustration at the orders from Kyiv to avoid retaliating against ceasefire violations by the separatist side. And Western officials have repeatedly praised Ukraine for showing restraint in the face of the menacing threat of more than 100,000 Russian troops and heavy weapons massed on its borders.

On Friday, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry also flatly denied any plan to attack the occupied areas, and accused the separatists of being responsible for a spike in ceasefire violations in recent days, including shelling that damaged two schools.

“While shelling Ukrainian educational facilities and residential buildings, the Russian mercenaries at the same time are spreading information about alleged offensive operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the temporarily occupied territories,” the defense ministry said. “This is disinformation.”

Vitali Klitschko, the mayor of Kyiv and former world boxing champion, who was attending the Munich Security Conference, had a different word for it. “Bullshit,” he told POLITICO.

Ukraine and West see false flags flying as pro-Russian separatists urge civilian evacuation – POLITICO

When Ukraine’s Moscow-friendly president was driven from office by mass protests in February 2014, Russia responded by annexing Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula. It then threw its weight behind an insurgency in the mostly Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine region known as Donbas.

In April 2014, Russia-backed rebels seized government buildings in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, proclaimed the creation of “people’s republics” and battled Ukrainian troops and volunteer battalions.

The following month, the separatist regions held a popular vote to declare independence and make a bid to become part of Russia. Moscow hasn’t accepted the motion, just used the regions as a tool to keep Ukraine in its orbit and prevent it from joining NATO.

Ukraine and the West accused Russia of backing the rebels with troops and weapons. Moscow denied that, saying any Russians who fought there were volunteers.

Amid ferocious battles involving tanks, heavy artillery and warplanes, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, killing all 298 people aboard. An international probe concluded that the passenger jet was downed by a Russia-supplied missile from the rebel-controlled territory in Ukraine. Moscow still denied any involvement.

PEACE AGREEMENTS FOR EASTERN UKRAINE
After a massive defeat of Ukrainian troops in August 2014, envoys from Kyiv, the rebels and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe signed a truce in the Belarusian capital of Minsk in September 2014.

The document envisaged an OSCE-observed cease-fire, a pullback of all foreign fighters, an exchange of prisoners and hostages, an amnesty for the rebels and a promise that separatist regions could have a degree of self-rule.
The deal quickly collapsed and large-scale fighting resumed, leading to another major defeat for Ukrainian forces at Debaltseve in January-February of 2015.

France and Germany brokered another peace agreement, which was signed in Minsk in February 2015 by representatives of Ukraine, Russia and the rebels. It envisaged a new cease-fire, a pullback of heavy weapons and a series of moves toward a political settlement. A declaration backing the deal was signed by the leaders of Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany.

A FROZEN CONFLICT IN UKRAINE
The 2015 peace deal was a major diplomatic coup for the Kremlin, obliging Ukraine to grant special status to the separatist regions, allowing them to create their own police force and have a say in appointing local prosecutors and judges. It also envisaged that Ukraine could only regain control over the roughly 200-kilometer (125-mile) border with Russia in rebel regions after they get self-rule and hold OSCE-monitored local elections — balloting that would almost certainly keep pro-Moscow rebels in power there.

Many Ukrainians see it as a betrayal of national interests and its implementation has stalled.

The Minsk document helped end full-scale fighting, but the situation has remained tense and regular skirmishes have continued.

With the Minsk deal stalled, Moscow’s hope to use rebel regions to directly influence Ukraine’s politics has failed but the frozen conflict has drained Kyiv’s resources and effectively stymied its goal of joining NATO — which is enshrined in the Ukrainian constitution.

Moscow also has worked to secure its hold on the rebel regions by handing out more than 720,000 Russian passports to roughly one-fifth of their population of about 3.6 million. It has provided economic and financial assistance to the separatist territories, but the aid has been insufficient to alleviate the massive damage from fighting and shore up the economy. The Donbas region accounted for about 16% of Ukraine’s GDP before the conflict.

EFFORTS TO REVIVE PEACE DEAL
Amid soaring tensions over the Russian troop concentration near Ukraine, France and Germany embarked on renewed efforts to encourage compliance with the 2015 deal, in hopes that it could help defuse the current standoff.

Facing calls from Berlin and Paris for its implementation, Ukrainian officials have strengthened their criticism of the Minsk deal and warned that it could lead to the country’s demise. Two rounds of talks in Paris and Berlin between presidential envoys from Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany have yielded no progress.

The lower house of the Russian parliament, meanwhile, urged Putin last week to recognize the independence of Ukraine’s rebel regions.

PUTIN RECOGNIZES REBEL REGIONS’ INDEPENDENCE
Putin’s recognition of the rebel-held territories’ independence effectively shatters the Minsk peace agreements and will further fuel tensions with the West. He said that Moscow would sign friendship treaties with the rebel territories, a move that could pave the way for Russia to openly support them with troops and weapons.

The move follows several days of shelling that erupted along the line of contact in Donetsk and Luhansk. Ukraine and the West accused Moscow of fomenting the tensions to create a pretext for an invasion. Russia, in turn, accused Ukraine of trying to reclaim the rebel-held territories by force, the claim that Kyiv strongly rejected.

On Friday, separatist leaders released video statements announcing the evacuation of civilians in the face of what they described as a Ukrainian “aggression.” The data embedded in the video indicated that their statements had been pre-recorded two days earlier when the situation was still relatively calm, suggesting a deliberate plan to try to sever the regions from Ukraine.

Ukraine separatist regions: The story behind the rebel-controlled areas | AP News

[Ry_Tower]

Shhhh at baka susugurin ka ng Wagner o CCP fanbois

Okay lang, democracy allows it. Buti na lang. Mas gustuhin ko na ganito kesa maging ipokrito na ginagamit demokrasya para sa pansariling interes.