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    #151
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    Germany cannot make its own decisions

    the US owns Germany



    Kawawang Germany, sandwiched between 2 Superpowers.

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    #152
    sorry may post pa

    if Germany's hesitation in sending tanks to Ukraine isn't because they're afraid it could ruin their relationship with Russia...

    why do they have to say this?


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    #153
    Wandel durch Handel

    mentioned here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Kamiya View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    ^^^

    25 minutes of talking and he can't explain why Germany seems hesitant to provide all out support to ukraine
    turns out he was making sense

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    #154
    Yes Germany is hesitant in delivering Aid to the Ukranians....pls see chart below.

    Here is just a few things they have given off the top of my head:
    1. Patriot batteries
    2. IRIS-T sam systems .... these two are just one of the most lethal and effective AA missile systems in the world. The ukranians themselves have said the Iris-T system has a 100% success rate hit rate. Do you know how many lives and infrastructure that has saved? Sadly ukraine is so large you need dozens or hundreds of these batteries to fully cover everything.
    3. Gephard twin auto cannon anti aircraft ...extremely useful against shaheed drones of Iran
    4. Marder APCs
    5. Armored cars
    6. Anti tank missles stocks TOW etc
    7. Anti aircraft manpads
    8. 155mm tracked howitzers and ammunition
    9. MLRS

    Am sure there are dozens more . Hesitation in delivering MBTs doesnt mean they are owned by the USA. Even the USA was hesitant. The french havent done it. Only the UK was the first in line with Challengers.

    Dont mistake strategic caution as puppetry.




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    #155
    why is the US forcing Germany



    #vassal

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    #156
    the US is using Germany in the European theater

    and Japan in the East Asian theater

    both with little choice

    "limited sovereignty"

    vassal states


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    #157
    Germany and France are the de facto leaders of Western Europe. They arent vassals to anyone. Aligned goals, security interests, seeking energy independence and supporting a brave country that was invaded by a beligerent super power neighbor is not vassalhood.

    The Americans cant even own congress straight for 2 elections but yet they own Germany. Sure.



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    #158
    China must be bitter it doesnt have vassals yet.

    US bases in both theatres are mutually beneficial. If you think the security umbrellas they provide are immaterial to those countries then i have something to sell you.

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    Last edited by EQAddict; February 2nd, 2023 at 08:34 AM.

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    #159
    i voted japan

    but more people think it's germany


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    #160
    Conspiracy polls dont hold water sorry bro.

    Mistaking strong alliances for vassalhood is smh.

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Russia's 'invasion and occupation' of Ukrainian territory.