Russia's 'invasion and occupation' of Ukrainian territory.

[Athrunzala]

Nord Stream 2 had Germany in Russia's energy grip and both sides new it. That was the calculus of Putin. And he was wrong... And now Germany is out of it's grip

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and this is what I'm hearing is the reason why it was the West that blew up the Nord Stream pipeline: to make Germany out of the grip of Russia...

[EQAddict]

Nope. The Germans voted out long before the pipeline was bombed. They voted with their arms deliveries to ukraine and their pivot to other energy suppliers. Again timelines.


Besides even if you blow up 1 section of the pipeline..it will just take a couple of months at the most to fix it and at a fraction of the cost. So no...blowing it up is not a strategy to get the Germans off Russian gas. Its weak, easily fixed and disingenuous. Once again that pipeline was NEVER operational...gas was never paid for that flowed thru it...heck even the Russians are not even complaining it was blown up. Go figure.

On the other hand..the Russians blowing up the pipeline that they knew would NEVER be used anymore hits 2 birds with one stone as i had previously mentioned.

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[uls]

from NY Times

not rightwing media

Investigating the Nord Stream Pipeline Sabotage - The New York Times



yeah russia destroyed the pipelines they invested billions to build

then spend money repairing

makes sense

[EQAddict]

They still blew it up.

And no one is gonna use it.




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[uls]

the Germans prefer using russian gas

it's cheaper and they don't need to build LNG storage facilities

they were forced to end dependence on russian gas and import LNG coz of pressure from the US and other NATO members

[EQAddict]

...and it aint ever coming back....

Thats what you call brilliant strategy. Destroy a market you have painstakingly built over 2 decades in less than a year.



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[EQAddict]

the Germans prefer using russian gas

it's cheaper and they don't need to build LNG storage facilities

they were forced to end dependence on russian gas and import LNG coz of pressure from the US and other NATO members

Germany ended the energy blackmail of Russia when Russia invaded Ukraine.

And they (and the rest of the world) are in a better place for it.



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[uls]

Germany cannot make its own decisions

the US owns Germany

[EQAddict]

I rest my case when that is your argument



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[uls]

ok

last post... for tonight



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