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    okay then, perhaps we should double the price of gas here, through taxation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbt
    okay then, perhaps we should double the price of gas here, through taxation.
    That's what the Europeans have been doing since forever. Almost all of Western Europe at least have gas prices that go way past 3-digits per liter in Php. UK has one of the highest petrol prices in the world considering they actually produce some oil, while we're a country with the lowest prices among the non-oil producing part of the globe.

    P.S. Eurofueltax doesn't just double the prices, they easily quadruple them. Wonder why half the cars sold are Diesels, even though they're more expensive (the cars AND the fuel)? Wonder why people *aren't* driving Priuses? Clarkson on Top Gear proved that regular diesels are more efficient than gasoline hybrids, not just a bit but they're a LOT more efficient.

    As for the traffic situation, have you seen the Top Gear episode where Jeremy got beaten in a car by a marathonner? My goodness the traffic through central London! They even stopped once because a VIP went through, it seriously looked like one of OUR city centers (although our city centers are bigger with bigger cars).

    The bigger problem is that people have become way too attached to their cars. Wonder why sites such as Tsikot.com exist? Hey, I like cars. Many people want cars. But do most of us actually absolutely need them?

    Think about it, most private cars are redundant because their origin and destination are easily connected by public transport. Lots of cars on the road are useless (lots of driver-only Expeditions full of air no cargo). In the same way, 99.9% of text messages flying through the air are green jokes, love quotes and chain letters. Most cars are useless in the same way most text messages are useless (although the text message example is way more extreme).

    Lots of people complain of traffic and high fuel prices, yet their cars take up space and consume fuel like the other 999 bazillion on the road.

    Lots of people complain of cellphone network downtimes, but they're just trying to send their best friend the latest campus scandal, which is useless but takes up space on the network.

    Many OFWs and their families actually complain of the peso strengthening (because they get "less peso for their $$$"), but by converting the $$$ to PhP they add to the foreign reserves.

    The world is full of paradoxes like these. Either we accept the compromise, or just stop doing whatever it was we were doing. But you ain't gonna stop driving, he ain't gonna stop texting, and the Dela Cruzes next door ain't gonna stop spending Uncle Boy's dollar gifts anytime soon. The wold isn't going to stop because of these quirks.
    Last edited by Alpha_One; November 3rd, 2005 at 12:00 AM.

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    i actually think that it makes sense to heavily tax gasoline and diesel, since it encourages, at the least, conservation and efficiency (the US had cheap gas for so long, no surprise that they're the biggest oil hog and polluter in the planet). it also ensures great revenue to the government, which is ideally used for the public good.

    yun nga lang, the point i'm trying to drive at is that the reality is different where we are, and it's not something that can be so easily discounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbt
    i actually think that it makes sense to heavily tax gasoline and diesel, since it encourages, at the least, conservation and efficiency (the US had cheap gas for so long, no surprise that they're the biggest oil hog and polluter in the planet). it also ensures great revenue to the government, which is ideally used for the public good.

    yun nga lang, the point i'm trying to drive at is that the reality is different where we are, and it's not something that can be so easily discounted.
    Noooooooooooooooooo!

    Hindi kami papayag sa gusto ng uber secret GloriaGeorge - PetronShellCaltexTotalSeaoilUnioilBPEssoChevronOPE C alliance!

    Seriously, a measure like this could actually mean *less* revenue for the government (after a certain point) iif people start dusting off their bicycles. But isn't it a nice way to reduce foreign oil demand *and* generate revenues at the same time?

    But the leftist militants wouldn't allow that to happen, and neither will the left side of the Congress.
    Last edited by Alpha_One; November 3rd, 2005 at 07:53 AM.

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    if people start dusting off their bicycles, there can be significant savings in the form of reduced traffic, less pollution, improved health, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda
    The US consumes 20.5M barrels / day of oil.

    The Philippines consumes only around 350K barrels / day.
    So, a barrel of oil serves about 251 Filipinos, but only about 15 Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbt
    if people start dusting off their bicycles, there can be significant savings in the form of reduced traffic, less pollution, improved health, etc.
    Yup, exactly. I was only mentioning the immediate economic effects (because that's leftist militant food). Less traffic, pollution, and improved health will mean great savings to the public.

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    malabo pa siguro yung improving health. sa grabe ng pollution sa metro manila, matagal pa mawawala yung smog na nagaccumulate

    ang mahal na ng fuel!!! waaaahhhh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda
    The US consumes 20.5M barrels / day of oil.

    The Philippines consumes only around 350K barrels / day.
    sir mazda mazda I meant L.A. + 3 counties. not the whole US hehehe

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    The world is full of paradoxes like these. Either we accept the compromise, or just stop doing whatever it was we were doing. But you ain't gonna stop driving, he ain't gonna stop texting, and the Dela Cruzes next door ain't gonna stop spending Uncle Boy's dollar gifts anytime soon.
    you know what's the biggest paradox here in the Phils:

    it's the transport groups! they always cry foul when govt. tries to control them such as phase-outing of old engines, old cars, 2nd hand imports, or even raising the price of diesel. They say they're being marginalized bec. they are poor, and the govt is anti-poor.

    since we pinoys are suckers for the underdogs, the govt plays their game.

    The result -> too many inefficiencies:

    1. insurance premiums, instead na ma-invest sa mas productive na business venture. nauubos sa claims. coz of the traffic produced by these PUV's, nauubos ang pasensya ng matitinong drivers at out of twist of fate, nababangga or naaksidente.

    2. health premiums, the same as above. nauubos sa claims. coz of the emissions produced by these unmaintained PUV's. sobrang dami nagkakasakit ngaun di nila alam nagsimula pa yun 10-20 years from the respiratory intake of toxic gases. (car emissions have been improved by car manufacturers since day 1, pero ito mga ito never!)

    3. travel time. ito ang pinaka hindi nahahalata but seals our fate na talaga. lahat naman tayo refreshed after every sleep, during the morning. but in some twist of fate, the daily commute to work affects or reduces our productivity. either pagod na, stressed out na or mataas na anger level. sayang yun sleep. and that's just about 1-2 hours after waking up pa lang.

    kung ito ba naman mga spent premiums & wasted time ma-put to good use. like for example an insurance company with 5-10% rate of accidents lang, papautangin ang cash-strapeed govt natin with the extra premiums they earned. or health companies with healthy subscribers mag-participate sa mga global health research by investing on it and also becoming a part of it. or even the simple Juan De La Cruz who closes deals or does his work with ease by having a well-conditioned body from the start.

    madami ma-achieve ang society natin. and we always compared ourselves with Japan, Singapore, Hongkong. start from the basic, what makes their workers more motivated and more competitive than us. why is it that these countries always have extra money to spare even though halos pareho lang naman natin sila ka-rich in natural/people resources.


    govt should never implement pro-poor policies if it wants to become progressive.
    it doesnt mix. it will cancel each other. and that's how we are now.

    oil has now become an expensive commodity and some highly-developed govts. around the world are ready for the challenge bec. they had been busy rooting out the inefficiencies and problem areas 4-5 decades ago.

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