Fraternity Hazing - uso pa din?

[Krissyss]

Do not generalize. There are still a lot of "good" fraternities/ sororities out there. We do hazing tradition, test of determination and sacrifice. One will never understand until he gets there. I used to bash fraternities before I enter UP. Upon joining a sorority, I learned a lot of things. We do community work etc etc. Yes you could learn this from other orgs as well. But as I tell you, it is hard to break a tradition. Joining a frat or soro entails a lot of responsibilities. You have to jugle academics and org activities. If you get a five there will be a Disciplinary Action which is also a or 5 Palos for a singko. It depends on the rules which may vary yearly. If you do something good, get a 1, you'll get a "reward" or minus palo for instance. If you missed a meeting without a vaild reason, you'll have DA. Things like that. It was never my intention to kill somebody. Never. Even if I am alumni I also attend finals. I guide the younger sisses on what to do. Maybe frat members were just drunk...? I do not know. If I my future daughter or son would like to join such group, I will let them.

[malinkelly]

bakit ba kasi kapag sasali ka sa frat or sorority, kailangan na may hazing?

[scharnhorst]

"Good"? True, sororities and fraternities do a lot of projects and charity work. True, strong bonds are forged in such organizations.

but still remains the fact that hazing is sometimes fatal and always unnecessary.

Why then, is there a physical component when it comes to joining the organization?

Why do you need to get hurt, beaten, savaged, demeaned, humiliated, in order to "prove" your loyalty?

It's such a blatant, pointless, vicious cycle of submission, then domination. Not very far from the feudal system of the middle ages. An unhealthy practice brought in by the americans when they came here.

I joined an undergrad organization where I had to be humiliated to get in.

I REGRET doing so. even if I had very, very many moments of joy in that organization.

Fraternities tried to recruit me when I entered my post-graduate study. One thing that they couldn't answer was "why is there an initiation" (specifically the all-important bugbugan) - all they could say was, "You'd understand when it's over". Sorry. Not sold with that explanation anymore.

My parents never beat me up in order to make me loyal. Real brothers and sisters would never hurt their siblings to develop their filial love.

I would never, EVER allow my child to join one. I would not raise and love him or her just to see him/her die in college. If he/she needs connections, I'd rather that he/she be independent in doing so. And that she do it the human way - make friends personally.

Hard to break a tradition? Well, if you people could endure being beaten up, then it wouldn't be hard to find the strength to drop the axe on the horrible cycle of hazing for the good of future members. There was this fraternity where a certain batch, instead of looking for vengeance for the next neophytes, instead lobbied to lessen the torture for the next generation.

Saludo ako sa kanila.

[niky]

Tumpak.

I once joined, but only for the "good" works. Outreach... school activities... social responsibility.

But in the end... it was all bull. The cycle of hazing, intimidation and violence attracts a certain type of membership to fraternities.

If you let members know that it's okay to beat people up... it's honorable... then what happens when they have encounters with other frats? They fight.

After I experienced that part firsthand, that was enough for me. I didn't like the escalation of violence that occurs when a fight starts. It starts with stare-downs. Then fisticuffs. Then lead pipes. Then pillboxes and guns.

No amount of "honor" and "brotherhood" will EVER bring our dead brothers back to life. In my time in UP, several fratmen and even some "barbarians" (non-frat members) died because of the bull**** they call pride and honor.

[Monseratto]

The "good samaritan" John Paul Solano who brought Horacio Tomas Castillo III to CGH has surrendered to Sen Ping Lacson...


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[bugsmobile]

I joined a fraternity in high school. Yes I was beaten & paddled during initiation, & I did the same to the succeeding neophytes. The only good thing it brought me then was that the upper classmen who bullied me stopped when they found out I was part of a fraternity. I didn't join the senior version of the fraternity when I went to college.

My wife was also part of a sorority in med school, but their hazing was nothing compared daw to their brods' fraternity. I guess being med students, they know they extent of what hazing to do. But that does not excuse them for still doing the hazing.

Re Atio, I hope they catch all of them. I read that one of the members already fled to Taiwan.

[shadow]

Eva air Yan stopover lang siguro Taiwan. Diretso ng US yan


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[cast_no_shadow]

Is there a centralized system for cancelled passports?

If your passport is tagged as cancelled how will the foreign countries be notified?


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[CVT]

Do not generalize. There are still a lot of "good" fraternities/ sororities out there. We do hazing tradition, test of determination and sacrifice. One will never understand until he gets there.

You cannot blame people for generalizing.

People from all walks of life come and go in fraternities so there is no strict continuity. Is there? No one can guarantee that....

You admitted to hazing as a tradition. Can anyone guarantee that no member in the future can overdo such initiation?

And no one will ever understand when someone dies without reason.

No amount of brotherhood or community service will bring back the lives of these innocent victims.

[bugsmobile]

Eva air Yan stopover lang siguro Taiwan. Diretso ng US yan


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Tama ka sir!

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