Filipino not a ‘language of the learned,’ says columnist

[badsekktor]

In the realm of Science and Math, Filipino language is next to USELESS.

+1 same thing with most native languages.

kaya nga daw sabi ng nagsulat ng article Filipino is only useful when you need to talk to the maid, the driver, etc

lols! most probably, the writer don't have filipino friends, that is why he never find any need to speak the language....

native languages are meant to be learned to help you interact with the local people.... same reason why we try to learn chinese, nihonggo, bahasa, etc..... We want to be at least knowledgeable enough to converse with the locals.

Is the writer residing in this country? I am assuming he works here and is living in this country since he did learn tagalog. I just find it odd for him to say that if he is actually residing here.

Learning the native language of the country you wish to reside and work is a definite advantage. It will be more convenient for you if you know how to speak with the locals....

[Ry_Tower]

^ baka nga hindi taga-Pinas yung writer or sobrang conyo!

[badsekktor]

^ baka nga hindi taga-Pinas yung writer or sobrang conyo!

hindi naman siguro sa pagiging conyo or for him being an expat...

The writer is just equating the language with the sad state of the country, which i believe is unfair for the language itself. The language will be there, whatever state the country is in.

I just find it odd for him to say that filipino language is useless since he have his article printed here. He practically converse with his relatives in tagalog.

I mean i could say that nihonggo is practically useless for me or mandarin or whatever native language that I am not using to converse with anybody, or understand anything written in that native language, but saying something useless to something that you always use is like taking things for granted like the air that we breathe that we couldn't live without in the first place....

[Monseratto]

Blue eagle yung writer...

AdMU student's essay on Filipino language raises online firestorm | ABS-CBN News | Latest Philippine Headlines, Breaking News, Video, Analysis, Features

MANILA, Philippines - A student of the Ateneo de Manila University reaped criticism from Filipino netizens after writing a column that described the Filipino language as "not the language of the learned."

The article "Language, learning, identity, privilege" was written by James Soriano for his iThink column and published in the Manila Bulletin website. Curiously, the article was inaccessible Friday afternoon but could still be found via Google cache.

The names James Soriano has also started trending in microblogging site Twitter, while links to his original post circulated on Facebook.

In his column, Soriano described English as the language of learning, having been raised in a home conducive to learning English. He said he learned to think in English and used the language to learn about numbers, equations and variables.

On the other hand, he said Filipino was the language of the streets and what "we used to speak to the people who washed our dishes."

Soriano said learning the Filipino language was practical because "it was how you spoke to the tindera when you went to the tindahan, what you used to tell your katulong that you had an utos, and how you texted manong when you needed 'sundo na.''"

"These skills were required to survive in the outside world, because we are forced to relate with the tinderas and the manongs and the katulongs of this world. If we wanted to communicate to these people — or otherwise avoid being mugged on the jeepney — we needed to learn Filipino," he said.

In his column, Soriano said he was proud of his proficiency in speaking Filipino but had trouble reading and writing the language.

He said he had only recently begun to grasp Filipino as the language of identity, the language of emotion, experience and even of learning. He acknowledged that he, in fact, smelled worse than rotting fish because "my own language is foreign to me."

However, he also said: "[Filipino] might have the capacity to be the language of learning, but it is not the language of the learned."

He concluded: "It is neither the language of the classroom and the laboratory, nor the language of the boardroom, the court room, or the operating room. It is not the language of privilege. I may be disconnected from my being Filipino, but with a tongue of privilege I will always have my connections. So I have my education to thank for making English my mother language."

Arrogance, self-expression

Following the publication of the article, many netizens criticized Soriano for his comments on the Filipino language. Others, however, defended him for stating what is already happening in society.

Tonyo Cruz said the essay's publication is timely as the Philippines marks "Buwan ng Wika" or Language Month to celebrate the Philippine national language.

Cruz said he was surprised by the honesty and candor expressed in Soriano's essay.

He noted: "This essay by Soriano betrays the truth about the continuing colonial character of education, and why Soriano could be considered a victim of such a system which breeds graduates who look down on Filipinos and on the Filipino language. Hardly unsurprising really because the educational system enforces and reinforces that belief from preschool to post-graduate school."

Former Muntinlupa congressman Ruffy Biazon said there was a similarity between Soriano's article and Mideo Cruz's allegedly blasphemous art exhibit.

"Similarity between Mideo Cruz & James Soriano: both exercised their right of self-expression," he said in his Twitter page.

Pinoy Reporter said it was ironic that the Manila Bulletin published the column 2 days after it received an award from the Commission on Filipino language.

ProPinoy.net President and deputy editor Niña Terol-Zialcita, meanwhile, noted that before people condemn Soriano, "let's ask our society & culture hard questions. What he did was wake us up & provoke discussion."

[chua_riwap]

another one related to the topic......


http://globalnation.inquirer.net/110...-james-soriano

How my sons lost their Tagalog, Sulat kay James Soriano


SAN FRANCISCO—My wife and I decided early on that Tagalog was going to be our sons’ first language.It wasn’t easy.
In his first days in pre-school, our first-born was miserable, intimidated by a world in which pretty much everyone spoke English.
But his pediatrician said not to worry about it. Experts said not to worry about it. They even said that it’s good for kids to be exposed to many languages, that they, eventually, will adjust and adapt.
And my son did.
It didn’t take long for Paolo to be fluent in English, although he later, sadly, lost his Tagalog.
His younger brother grew up with a kuya who spoke to him in English. They had some funny moments. Anton would struggle to tell his big brother, “Eh kuya, I just ano.. uh.. because … maglaro naman tayo.”
But like his kuya, it didn’t take long for Anton to shift from Pilipino to English. And sadly, he, too, lost his Tagalog.
Well, they didn’t actually “lose” it.
It’s still there. They can understand, but would not speak it.
But the spirit of my Mother Tongue is still part of them. I hope someday that they get a chance to use it again, to be immersed once again in that world. It’ll be up to them.
Which brings me to James Soriano, the Ateneo senior, whose essay on his own struggles with English and Pilipino sparked a heated controversy, especially on the Web.
Now, this may surprise many, but I’m glad he wrote that essay. It inspired me to write him a letter.
–
Dear James,
Unang una, maraming salamat.
Mabigat ang dating ng sinulat mo. At alam kong bugbog ka ngayon sa mga puna at batikos.
Pero dahil sa iyo, nagkaroon ng debate. Dahil sa ‘yo, pinag-uusapan, pinag-iisipan ang papel ng wika sa buhay natin, sa bayan natin lalo na ng mga kabataang tulad mo.
Ipagtatanggol ko ang karapatan mong sabihin ang sinabi mo. Salubungin mo lang yong mga puna, ‘yong mga ideyang kontra sa mga pananaw mo. Kung hindi mo tanggap, okay lang. Pero harapin mo pa rin.
Ganyan naman tayo umuunlad at natutuo.
Ngayon, tungkol doon sa sinabi mo na Pilipino “is not the language of the learned” – sakit mo namang magsalit p’re.
+ + +
Do you really believe the implied equations in what you wrote?
English = Classy, smart people.
Pilipino = Stupid, lowbrow, very emotional people.
For I can share with you several instances when knowing just English (and Pilipino) really made me feel un-learned.
One was when I was in Cotabato in the late 1980s as a reporter covering the Lumads, the tribal Filipinos struggling against militarization and social injustice. I don’t speak Cebuano. They didn’t speak English or Pilipino.
We needed help.
And that help came from an unexpected source—a kind-hearted Italian priest named Father Peter Geremia, who spoke Italian, English, and Cebuano. (I’m guessing he also speaks Tagalog since he had lived in Manila where he got involved in the protests against the Marcos dictatorship in the 1970s.)
It was one of the oddest interviews in my career as a journalist.
Here was this white dude from Europe helping me understand and communicate with my own people. He knew their language. I didn’t. My grasp of English couldn’t bridge that gap.
Father Peter was the learned one. Not me.
+ + +
Sabi mo, “Filipino is like a chore, like washing the dishes; it was not the language of learning. It was the language we used to speak to the people who washed our dishes.”
Pag nagkita tayo, Tagalugin mo ako. Kasi, bagamat ang hanap buhay ko sa Amerika e nakabatay sa kakayanan kong umingles, kasama ng buhay ko dito ang paghugas ng pinggan.
Oo, may dishwasher sa bahay namin. Pero, alam mo, pag mga malalaking kaldero ang katapat, puno ng mga latak ng mantika at tirang ulam, kinukuskos ko nang husto ‘yon, p’re.
–
Obviously, many got upset because of what they felt was your stunningly condescending view of those who speak Pilipino.
Well, I must confess, I also once had an intense bias against another language: Spanish.
You see, when Filipinos of my generation were in college, we had to learn Spanish, four semesters of it.
We hated it. We thought it was useless. We were offended that we had to learn the language of the conquistador, of the Padre Damasos and Padre Salvis. Of the conio kids!
Then I moved to California.
Boy, do I regret not taking those Spanish courses seriously.
For Spanish may have been the language of the hoity toity back home. But in California, it’s the language of middle class and working class people, of immigrants like me. Many of them may seem like the people you somewhat derisively referred to in your essay as the tinderos and the katulongs.
As a journalism student, I had to run around the U.S.- Mexico border and came face-to-face with poor Mexicans and Central Americans in Tijuana and Mexicali.
How I wished I could speak really fluent Spanish then.
As a reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle I was assigned to cover immigration and affirmative action, which took me to Latino neighborhoods all over the Bay Area.
How I tried to find the Spanish-speaking me.
But there was no such person. There was only English. And English couldn’t help me out. Knowing English didn’t make me feel learned.
–
Binigo rin ako ng Ingles noong unang pagtatangka kong sumulat ng nobela.
Sa Ingles ko unang sinubukang buuin ang “Mga Gerilya sa Powell Street.” Sa San Francisco ang setting, kaya, siyempre, inisip kong dapat Ingglisin.
Pero ayaw makisama ng mga tauhan. Iyong mga beteranong nakatambay sa may cable car stop sa San Francisco, ayaw umingles. Kahit anong gawin ko, hindi umuusad ang kuwento.
Para bagang sinasabi ng mga matatanda, ‘E bakit mo ba kami pinag Iingles Boying, e mga Pilipino kami.’
Kaya kumambyo ako. Sinulat ko sa Pilipino. Saka umarangkada ang kuwento. Nabuhay ang mga tauhan.
Sarap ng pakiramdam.
–
You want to know why I wanted our children to learn Tagalog? Because when I moved to the U.S., I met many young Filipino Americans who were disappointed, a few were even angry, that their parents didn’t teach them Pilipino, didn’t expose them to Filipino culture.
It’s really strange, in a way.
Here you are declaring that Pilipino is “not the language of the learned … not the language of privilege.”
But here where I live now, thousands of miles from our homeland, young Filipino Americans yearn for the privilege of speaking that language, are searching for ways to embrace Pilipino.
They take Tagalog lessons, even learn the Baybayin, the original Tagalog script. They even have Baybayin script tattooed on their bodies.
Joey Ayala, the folk singer who lived in Berkely for a time, put it best when he told me, “Things that are distinctly Filipino are often more valuable to Filipino Americans. Filipinos in the Philippines look to the American dream. Filipinos in the United States have the Philippine dream.”
–
You caused quite a stir with what you wrote, James. I’m sure you’re still reeling from the criticisms.
But like I said, I’ll defend your right to express your views, even if I disagree with many of them.
That’s how we learn, after all. I’m guessing your views may still evolve, grow wings, take flight.
I actually see the backlash as a good sign. It tells me that young people feel strongly about these issues, about language, culture and society. (I don’t get Jejemon, but hey, that’s part of the debate, of the process of finding answers.)
And it’s important to remember that culture and language are not static. They change.
Consider some of the big changes over the past 20 years.
When I was growing up in Manila, pretty much all the TV newscasts were in English. When I was growing up, we got fined for speaking in Tagalog on campus. Five centavos a word!
Well, okay, I hear that still happens in some schools. But I also hear there’s a congressional bill trying to put an end to that silly practice. Progress!
Even my eldest son’s attitude toward his first language has been changing. He used to tell me that he really didn’t want to speak Tagalog anymore, “Because it’s not cool, Tatay.”
Well, when the Black Eyed Peas’ Apl de Ap’s ‘’Apple Song’’ and ‘’Bebot’’ became hits, that changed. Suddenly, Tagalog was “cool.”
And during our last visit to Manila, he even realized the value of his Tagalog-speaking self when he witnessed a street fight in Ermita.
“I understood what they were saying, Tatay,” he said. “One was saying, ‘That’s mine. ‘Akin yan.’”
I imagine that he could very well have been talking about his Tagalog.
For while it’s buried within him, it’s still his. It’s still there.
Nandoon pa rin.
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[myk384]

In the realm of Science and Math, Filipino language is next to USELESS.

Hmmm... ano kaya yung Filipino ng decimal, fraction, linear equation???

[oliver1013]

Dapat latin nalang ang tinuturo sa paaralan..

[badsekktor]

Dapat latin nalang ang tinuturo sa paaralan..

lols! pero i would have to agree na overkill yun pagtuturo ng Filipino sa mga paaralan. From elementary to college meron filipino subject!

[Ry_Tower]

lols! pero i would have to agree na overkill yun pagtuturo ng Filipino sa mga paaralan. From elementary to college meron filipino subject!

I agree, dapat till HS lang.

[Ry_Tower]

lols! pero i would have to agree na overkill yun pagtuturo ng Filipino sa mga paaralan. From elementary to college meron filipino subject!

I agree, dapat till HS lang.