Anong future ng mga anak natin in store dito sa pinas?

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Nasagot na ng iba kung paano po tayo makakatulong sa paggawa ng mabuting kinabukasan para sa mga bata.

Tanung ko lang po. Maganda po ba makita ng isang bata ang magulang na sumuko? O umalis lang para sa mga maka-materiyalismong dahilan? Tulad po ng mga duktor dito na bumibigay at umaalis para sa kumikinang na dolyar habang namamatay ang bansa? Maganda po bang ugali yun na ipakita sa mga bata? Di ba mas maganda po na makita nila na lumaban tayo para sa isang magandang kinabukasan para sa bansa nila?

Ask ko lang po...kung medyo mahirap susuko ba kayo o lalakas ang loob niyo?

robin: holy smokes batman, do you know where this dude is getting his facts?
batman: i don't know robin, but its possible that he's one of the last remaining people on earth who actually believe everything they see and hear on tv. but then again, the joker did just release his IQ-lowering gas...

just some points to ponder po:

1. why doctors leave for abroad is not always because of financial reasons
2. since when did leaving for abroad become synonymous to giving up?
3. one major reason why the economy isn't as bad as it should be is because of the people who left the country, sacrificed comfort, and had the gumption (for lack of a better word) to work abroad
4. some people are born with better choices and options. its sad but that is reality. live what that and deal with it.
5. a great portion of the income of our overseas contract workers are sent back home to the philippines. how selfless is that? i honestly cannot see anything materialistic about that.
6. and lastly, batman and robin says "PEACE!"

[nitrox]

For me, the good values imparted to my kids will only get them as far. I would also rather have them get exposed to good education and then later on be in a sound & safe environment with good career or business opportunites. As of now, I'm not sure if the Phils can provide them. So my kids will grow, get education and hopefully establish themselves anywhere but the Phils. If they opt to return/live in the Phils later on, its their choice.

[6shooter]

robin: holy smokes batman, do you know where this dude is getting his facts?
batman: i don't know robin, but its possible that he's one of the last remaining people on earth who actually believe everything they see and hear on tv. but then again, the joker did just release his IQ-lowering gas...

just some points to ponder po:

1. why doctors leave for abroad is not always because of financial reasons
2. since when did leaving for abroad become synonymous to giving up?
3. one major reason why the economy isn't as bad as it should be is because of the people who left the country, sacrificed comfort, and had the gumption (for lack of a better word) to work abroad
4. some people are born with better choices and options. its sad but that is reality. live what that and deal with it.
5. a great portion of the income of our overseas contract workers are sent back home to the philippines. how selfless is that? i honestly cannot see anything materialistic about that.
6. and lastly, batman and robin says "PEACE!"

Ask ko lang po. Normal po ba na i-insultohin ang tao at sasabihin na bobo tapos "peace" ang huling sasabihin. Kung kayo po ginanon anu po ang mararamdaman niyo.

Sorry po at hindi ako kasing talino niyo. Pero bakit po umaalis ang mga duktor dito at ang iba handa maging Nars sa abroad? Di po ba dahil sa pera?

Kausap ko po isang NGo sa probinsiya at sabi nila na wala na silang mga duktor at health officer dahil nag abroad. May mga bata na namamatay daw dahil walang makakapag gamot sa kanila. Malamang mababa rin ang IQ ng NGO worker dahil nag pupursigi siya na tulungan ang mga kababayan natin habang nag sisi alisan po ang mga duktor.

Tanggap ko po na mas maganda ang ekonomiya natin dahil sa mga dolyares na binubuhos sa bansa ng mga OFW. Mabuti po iyon.

Pero tanung lang po. Diba kailangan ng mga duktor na makitulong pagkatapos mag aral. Kahit sandali lang? Diba po yung isa na top po sa Bar (ganun po ba sa duktor) umalis para magin Nars?

Tanung din po. Ang OFW po ba lalabas at iisipin gagawin ko eto para maging "selfless". Diba po ginagawa kasi tingin nila kailangan talaga? Kasi minsan kausap ko po isa pang NGO na pinag uukulan ang buhay para tulungan ang mga OFW at mga pamilya nila rito. Sabi niya na kadalasan pinepwersa ang OFW umalis para makipag-sapalaran. Habang ang mga kamag-anak dito di nag trabaho minsan. Hindi maaring sabihin lahat ganito pero isipin lang natin ang mga situwasyon. Baka po mali rin ang basa ng mga NGO.

Sorry po at medyo mababa lang po ang IQ ko. Peace

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Ask ko lang po. Normal po ba na i-insultohin ang tao at sasabihin na bobo tapos "peace" ang huling sasabihin. Kung kayo po ginanon anu po ang mararamdaman niyo.

Sorry po at hindi ako kasing talino niyo. Pero bakit po umaalis ang mga duktor dito at ang iba handa maging Nars sa abroad? Di po ba dahil sa pera?

Kausap ko po isang NGo sa probinsiya at sabi nila na wala na silang mga duktor at health officer dahil nag abroad. May mga bata na namamatay daw dahil walang makakapag gamot sa kanila. Malamang mababa rin ang IQ ng NGO worker dahil nag pupursigi siya na tulungan ang mga kababayan natin habang nag sisi alisan po ang mga duktor.

Tanggap ko po na mas maganda ang ekonomiya natin dahil sa mga dolyares na binubuhos sa bansa ng mga OFW. Mabuti po iyon.

Pero tanung lang po. Diba kailangan ng mga duktor na makitulong pagkatapos mag aral. Kahit sandali lang? Diba po yung isa na top po sa Bar (ganun po ba sa duktor) umalis para magin Nars?

Tanung din po. Ang OFW po ba lalabas at iisipin gagawin ko eto para maging "selfless". Diba po ginagawa kasi tingin nila kailangan talaga? Kasi minsan kausap ko po isa pang NGO na pinag uukulan ang buhay para tulungan ang mga OFW at mga pamilya nila rito. Sabi niya na kadalasan pinepwersa ang OFW umalis para makipag-sapalaran. Habang ang mga kamag-anak dito di nag trabaho minsan. Hindi maaring sabihin lahat ganito pero isipin lang natin ang mga situwasyon. Baka po mali rin ang basa ng mga NGO.

Sorry po at medyo mababa lang po ang IQ ko. Peace

pasensya ka na pards, tinopak lang ako sa post na yun. sorry.

BTT: sa mga nakausap kong OFW, lumabas sila ng bansa dahil sila ang inaasahan ng pamilya nila. hindi pagsuko iyon, bagkus, yun ang harapang paglaban sa problema sa kakulangan ng mapapasukang trabaho na kayang magbigay ng sapat na kita na pangtustos ng pang-araw-araw na gastos ng pamilya. yung iba sa kanila hindi kumportable ang lagay sa abroad. minsan, mas masama pa nga kaysa kung hindi sila umalis. pero ginagawa nila ito para may maipadalang pera sa pamilya nila dito sa pinas.

re: doctors, yung iba umaalis dahil habol nila ang greencard, which they perceive as a way to provide better options for their children. hence, their decision to leave the country isn't for themselves but rather for the welfare of their children. there is no surrender in that. i personally know some doctors who have good established practices here in the phils but decided to leave precisely for this reason.

fyi: it is much harder for a doctor to practice nursing because of the difference in training and orientation. medicine is as much science as it is an art. hence, may mga kanya-kanyang style sa pag-manage ng pasyente, kumbaga. now imagine the MD-RN practicing nursing encountering orders that are different from his previous style of management as a doctor, medyo mahirap yun for him. its hard to explain this but i hope you guys get the idea of what i'm saying.

but you are right na nauubos na talaga ang mga duktor sa probinsiya (i am somewhat privy to the goings-on in the doctors to the barrios program). and here's for some bad news: the situation is going to get worse. sobrang konti na ang nag-du-duktor (less than 1/4 than the traditional average), and of those na duktor na, marami pa ang umaalis. what is the government doing about this? NOTHING. should the government require doctors to render mandatory service in the province? like i said, that is unconstitutional, and in the event they do something like that, expect the exodus of doctors to intensify, and enrollment in medical schools to fall further.

Pero tanung lang po. Diba kailangan ng mga duktor na makitulong pagkatapos mag aral. Kahit sandali lang? Diba po yung isa na top po sa Bar (ganun po ba sa duktor) umalis para magin Nars?

i don't know about lawyers but there is no regulation or law requiring doctors to render service after passing the boards. to do that is unconstitutional because that is forced labor. if people will start invoking the hippocratic oath (and i would request that people please read the oath before actually invoking it), the only thing the oath says is to relieve pain and prolong life, regardless of nationality or race. read another way: i can relieve pain and prolong life in another country. also, doctors reserve the right to choose their patients. it is not mandatory for doctors to accept any patient who present themselves at his doorstep. anything otherwise is again pure and simple forced labor.

peace bro. regarding sa initial post ko, tinopak lang talaga ako

[badsekktor]

Hindi ko masasabi kung ano ang future ng magiging anak ko dito sa bansa natin. wala naman makapagsasabi kung ano ang future eh. Sa ngayon mas maganda ang oppurtunidad para sa mga Gusto magnegosyo kumpara nung mga nakaraang taon. Hindi ko alam kung bakit pero yan ang napapansin ko sa mga kakilala ko na nagnenegosyo.

Ang pag-asenso ay hindi dapat limitahan kung nasaan ka ngayon. Ang pagkakataon ay maaring dalhin ka sa ibang lugar. Ang oppurtunidad ay magkakaiba sa bawat tao. Meron maswerte dahil binigyan ng pagkakataon na mapalago ang sarili para mapaunlad ang katayuan pero hindi lahat ay merong ganun swerte.

[Flagg]

Nasagot na ng iba kung paano po tayo makakatulong sa paggawa ng mabuting kinabukasan para sa mga bata.

Tanung ko lang po. Maganda po ba makita ng isang bata ang magulang na sumuko? O umalis lang para sa mga maka-materiyalismong dahilan? Tulad po ng mga duktor dito na bumibigay at umaalis para sa kumikinang na dolyar habang namamatay ang bansa? Maganda po bang ugali yun na ipakita sa mga bata? Di ba mas maganda po na makita nila na lumaban tayo para sa isang magandang kinabukasan para sa bansa nila?

Ask ko lang po...kung medyo mahirap susuko ba kayo o lalakas ang loob niyo?

Kindly note forum rules. Sobra ng OT mga yan... Tsk tsk tsk... noob.

[6shooter]

Kindly note forum rules. Sobra ng OT mga yan... Tsk tsk tsk... noob.

Sorry po sir.

Sana di niyo po pine-personal. Opinyon lang po.

[Flagg]

Sorry po sir.

Sana di niyo po pine-personal. Opinyon lang po.

Personal? Heyng?

[mbeige]

Let's not get over ourselves, shall we? We all want what's best for our kids. If people choose to leave the country, that's their decision. But if people want to stay and slug it out, that's also their decision. After all, the goals are all the same - give a bright future for our children in the best way possible. We all can think of our own little ways to do this. If it gets in conflict with one another, that's normal, but don't take it personally lang guys.

Personally I want to raise my children in an environment that I can have peace of mind in. Back in Manila, I can never do that, that's why I'm working on our papers to get my wife here so we can finally settle down. Did we leave the country for good? Well, not really. I'm sure we'll miss it after a few years. But as somebody said, this is a personal choice we all have to make, to expand our lives and broaden our horizons to whatever potentials we have.

Again, if I have a child I want to raise him or her and be able to provide broad horizons for my children so they can freely choose their own paths to take, with the wisdom, knowledge and experience I've gained from living there and here in the US. It may be a different path that you guys prefer to take for your children, but for our particular situation this is what we choose.

I guess my initial responses in this thread were vague, but now I realize what's going on. It doesn't matter what level of education one can provide for the children - there are numerous schools to choose from anyway. What matters is, as others have said, what you bestow to your children in terms of values and leading by example.

Morrissey said it right, it's what the parents teach that provides the future for the children.

[moe]

a severely polluted future is what i see...