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April 27th, 2011 07:58 PM #11
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May 7th, 2011 12:21 PM #14Gentlemen,
While we are in the discussion of recommended engine oil weights vis-a-vis oil viscosity, KINDLY REMEMBER that the measure of "TRUE" oil viscosity is "NOT" in the oil canister's product label, like what you see written as 5W-40, SAE 40, 10W-30 etc, but rather it is measured by its kinematic viscosity in centiStokes.
Under the hood of the DMax, we see recommended engine oils as SAE 40, 10W-30, and 15W-40.... BUT no such thing as 5W-40 ---- therefore, we "might" think that the 5W-40 grade oil isn't applicable like those Motul CRDi Specific 5W-40 and Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 fully-synthetic diesel oils.
AND if one compares Isuzu's recommended Besco's 10W-30, any SAE 40 grade, and 15W-40 oils, one might think that they are heavier than a 5W-40 oil. BUT, it's not always the case, as explained in the following:
Isuzu's Besco 10W-30 properties (ASTM standards):
kinematic viscosity at 40 deg. Celsius, cSt = 65
kinematic viscosity at 100 deg. Celsius, cSt = <10
Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 properties (ASTM standards):
kinematic viscosity at 40 deg. Celsius, cSt = 102
kinematic viscosity at 100 deg. Celsius, cSt = 14.8 (heavier/ more viscous than Besco at high temperature range)
Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40
http://www.mobil.com/Philippines-Eng...c_1_5W-40.aspx
When one compares Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 against Torco SD-5 15W-40, we may see that both oils have quite a comparable dynamic viscosity at high temperature range ---- 14.8 cSt (Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40) against 15.0 cSt (Torco SD-5 15W-40) at 100 deg. Celsius
Torco SD-5 15W-40
http://www.torcousa.com/technology/T...20-%20SD-5.pdf
By comparison, Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40 has better viscosity index of 151 against Torco SD-5 15W-40's 140 even when we see that by the outer product label in each respective oil canisters that the Torco oil "seems to be more viscous" than the lighter weight Mobil Delvac 1....
....Also, at high temperature of 100 deg. Celsius, we also see that Isuzu's recommended Besco 10W-30 is even thinner, <10 cSt, than Mobil's 14.8 cSt.
Based on the above product data info, one can definitely use a 5W-40 grade oil (measured in kinematic viscosity) on their Isuzu DMax's EVEN when the oil grade is NOT specifically listed under the hood.
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May 7th, 2011 11:47 PM #15
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May 8th, 2011 08:39 PM #16
Under US law, dealerships can't deny you warranty if you have your oil change done outside, as long as the oil used meets the requirements specified in your manual.
Unfortunately, the Philippines is not the US. And given that we don't have the same certifying regulations for mechanics, most manufacturers will try to void your warranty for PMS work done outside "official" dealerships.
Ang pagbalik ng comeback...
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May 9th, 2011 12:00 AM #17
...bottom line is, we still have to go with whatever isuzu recommends especially on using their very own parts & services even if we have to pay more than the usual amount of parts sold outside isuzu to avoid cancellation of warranty which is extended for a period of 3 years.
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May 9th, 2011 12:15 AM #18
Did you clarify what part of the warranty is voided exactly if you use a different engine oil? For example, if you use your own engine oil, it should not void a defect with your A/C system or transmission.
You can take a calculated risk on this actually, what defects do you think may arise that needs warranty work with the Isuzu engine given its been around for so long? In my case, our toyota altis was serviced for the first 10,000kms then after that we just did the servicing ourselves; 65,000kms hence and after then lapse of the warranty, so far no claim needed.
What a one sided policy of Isuzu. As long as the oil used is within recommended spec and the proper interval is observed then it should be no problem to the warranty.Last edited by vinj; May 9th, 2011 at 12:18 AM.
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