Unruly driver of Honda Accord with plate WJM 177

[normanenoza]

Minsan mali din to "insist your right of way".

Dyan nagsisimula mga aksidente.

yes, and even the supreme court will not side with you even if its your right of way, especially when they see that the chance to prevent the accident is with you (the one with the right of way).

[kinyo]

honga ... kung isa man lang sana sa kanila marunong "magbigay", walang aksidente

[emms1121]

Uso pa ba magbigay? Nasa kultura kasi tayo na ayaw malamangan..

[yebo]

Uso pa ba magbigay? Nasa kultura kasi tayo na ayaw malamangan..

actually nag-iba na cultura ng pilipino, from the culture of bayanihan e naging culture ng ayaw malamangan. kasi naman ang daming tao na nanlalamang.

[ppcsurfr]

Finally!

The second page of this thread has gotten some (not all) smarter replies.

Let's go back and review the first post and pick up the key points of the complaint.

TS is pissed because he was entering a lane and although half way in, the driver of the Honda Accord forces his way through because it was his lane when the lane moved meaning they were at a stand still. Traffic jam?

Honda Accord - Yes maybe he was in his lane. Yes he can claim it was his right of way. But definitely he has no concept of road courtesy. Bumping side mirrors also shows signs of aggression.

TS - While he was squeezing his way in, was in a more passive stance compared to the driver of the Accord. And being half way into the lane at a traffic jam, he should have been allowed to merge already.

This is now all about aggressiveness vs. courtesy.

A good number of Filipino drivers, while they may be respectable, good mannered, courteous, friendly in person, often become monsters behind the wheel.

A person who, when face to face, will allow you to enter an elevator or a doorway ahead of him may exhibit just the opposite when behind the wheel of a vehicle. The same person may block your way, not give way, squeeze you out, honk their horns, and give you the finger.

Just remember a good driver does not only know and follow the rules. A good driver also shows courtesy.

Changing lanes is a normal occurence and changing lanes in crawling traffic is no different. You change lanes kasi, talagang merging yung lane, meron aksidente, nasiraan, may ibang nakaharang sa daan, or kailangan lang talaga na lumipat ka ng lane dahil doon ka talaga pupunta. Madaming valid reasons to change lanes so that in itself is not a fault.

Ngayon, para sa mga nagsasabing nasa right lane sila at right of way nila. Does that mean you should not show any road courtesy? Pero kapag kayo naman ang kailangan mag change lane at hindi kayo pinagbigyan... inis na inis din kayo.

If the driver of the Accord has any fault... it's his lack of road courtesy and his aggressiveness.

Sad to say some of the comments here reflect each poster's driving personalities and their obvious lack of road courtesy.

[yebo]

Finally!

The second page of this thread has gotten some (not all) smarter replies.

Let's go back and review the first post and pick up the key points of the complaint.

TS is pissed because he was entering a lane and although half way in, the driver of the Honda Accord forces his way through because it was his lane when the lane moved meaning they were at a stand still. Traffic jam?

Honda Accord - Yes maybe he was in his lane. Yes he can claim it was his right of way. But definitely he has no concept of road courtesy. Bumping side mirrors also shows signs of aggression.

TS - While he was squeezing his way in, was in a more passive stance compared to the driver of the Accord. And being half way into the lane at a traffic jam, he should have been allowed to merge already.

This is now all about aggressiveness vs. courtesy.

A good number of Filipino drivers, while they may be respectable, good mannered, courteous, friendly in person, often become monsters behind the wheel.

A person who, when face to face, will allow you to enter an elevator or a doorway ahead of him may exhibit just the opposite when behind the wheel of a vehicle. The same person may block your way, not give way, squeeze you out, honk their horns, and give you the finger.

Just remember a good driver does not only know and follow the rules. A good driver also shows courtesy.

Changing lanes is a normal occurence and changing lanes in crawling traffic is no different. You change lanes kasi, talagang merging yung lane, meron aksidente, nasiraan, may ibang nakaharang sa daan, or kailangan lang talaga na lumipat ka ng lane dahil doon ka talaga pupunta. Madaming valid reasons to change lanes so that in itself is not a fault.

Ngayon, para sa mga nagsasabing nasa right lane sila at right of way nila. Does that mean you should not show any road courtesy? Pero kapag kayo naman ang kailangan mag change lane at hindi kayo pinagbigyan... inis na inis din kayo.

If the driver of the Accord has any fault... it's his lack of road courtesy and his aggressiveness.

Sad to say some of the comments here reflect each poster's driving personalities and their obvious lack of road courtesy.

MALI PA DIN! kaya nga right of way e! yung nagme-merge ang nagbibigay and not the other way around. the rule is clear, MERGING TRAFFIC ALWAYS YIELDS TO THE VEHICLES IN THE LANE THEY ARE MERGING INTO. parang expressway yan, pag ikaw ang pumapasok sa expressway ikaw ang MAGHIHINTAY kung kelan ka pwede pumasok, hindi yung nasa ezpressway ang hihinto para makapasok ka. or like sa rotunda, yung nasa rotunda always have the right of way, yung nagme-merge into the rotunda need to YIELD. kelan naging norm na yung sumisingit ay dapat pagbigyan? at kelan naging norm na ang nasa right of way e dapat magbigay? pag ako nagme-merge at hindi ako pinagbigyan e wait na lang ako next vehicle, or stay in my lane until a better opportunity to merge comes. di ako insists.

utak jeepney driver lang ang nagsasabi na porke nauuna na e dapat pagbigyan. ano yan nauna ang bumper mo ikaw na nasa tama? o parang pedicab, singit gulong tapos titingin ng masama pag di pinagbigyan.

kaya nga may exam pag kumuha ng driver's license para malaman ang concept ng right of way.

[badsekktor]

now somebody has the balls to lecture, but forgot the rules that serves as basis......

maybe the driver of the accord lacks road courtesy and shows aggressive behavior, but maybe the TS showed those same traits too...

you can't get your sidemirrors damaged if you haven't been aggressive while merging with the adjacent lane....

likewise i'm saddened that a lot of drivers.... educated or not.... doesn't even have a clear grasp of the rules that are needed to be followed on the road...... and yet has the courage to preach as if their knowledge is absolute....

[ppcsurfr]

MALI PA DIN! kaya nga right of way e! yung nagme-merge ang nagbibigay and not the other way around. the rule is clear, MERGING TRAFFIC ALWAYS YIELDS TO THE VEHICLES IN THE LANE THEY ARE MERGING INTO. parang expressway yan, pag ikaw ang pumapasok sa expressway ikaw ang MAGHIHINTAY kung kelan ka pwede pumasok, hindi yung nasa ezpressway ang hihinto para makapasok ka. or like sa rotunda, yung nasa rotunda always have the right of way, yung nagme-merge into the rotunda need to YIELD. kelan naging norm na yung sumisingit ay dapat pagbigyan? at kelan naging norm na ang nasa right of way e dapat magbigay? pag ako nagme-merge at hindi ako pinagbigyan e wait na lang ako next vehicle, or stay in my lane until a better opportunity to merge comes. di ako insists.

utak jeepney driver lang ang nagsasabi na porke nauuna na e dapat pagbigyan. ano yan nauna ang bumper mo ikaw na nasa tama? o parang pedicab, singit gulong tapos titingin ng masama pag di pinagbigyan.

kaya nga may exam pag kumuha ng driver's license para malaman ang concept ng right of way.

Mali pa din?

Please review my post. Since you quoted it, I've been trying to look for anything that says the guy merging has right of way.

[ppcsurfr]

now somebody has the balls to lecture, but forgot the rules that serves as basis......

maybe the driver of the accord lacks road courtesy and shows aggressive behavior, but maybe the TS showed those same traits too...

you can't get your sidemirrors damaged if you haven't been aggressive while merging with the adjacent lane....

likewise i'm saddened that a lot of drivers.... educated or not.... doesn't even have a clear grasp of the rules that are needed to be followed on the road...... and yet has the courage to preach as if their knowledge is absolute....

The TS's narration seems a little sketchy to me. What is missing here is the steps he took to initiate the lane change.

This he failed to mention. Of course we assume he took the right steps before he initiated his lane change, but if he did not, then that would have been the first fault of the incident.

Should we assume that he had his turn signal on to indicate the intention to change lanes?

Knowing the Traffic Rules and passing the License Exam is just part of it. Having the right disposition is also important. Add defensive driving and road courtesy to that and you get the ideal driver.

Driver Courtesy
Be courteous and share the road:
Allow other drivers to merge or change lanes easily.

From the LTO
4.) Give way to vehicles who would like to overtake your path, although you know that you have the right-of-way.

It's up to you if you to define what "overtake your path" means. Does it mean overtake your car? or does it also mean those who want to take the same path you are taking?

From newyorkdefensivedriving.com
Traffic Congestion
Traffic congestion is a growing problem in the United States as the number of drivers is increasing more quickly than the miles of roads that are being built. Here are a few common sense rules you can follow to help you deal with traffic congestion:
<snip>
When you see someone attempting a lane change, allow him or her in. Courtesy among drivers makes traffic flow a lot more smoothly for everyone.

Just as I said in my previous post... sometimes, a person no matter how compassionate, friendly, giving he or she may be in person can be a PITA when placed behind the wheel.

[yebo]

Mali pa din?

Please review my post. Since you quoted it, I've been trying to look for anything that says the guy merging has right of way.

tama ka nga kaso mali pa din kasi. oo nga you did said that the honda accord had right of way, BUT you also said "Yes he can claim it was his right of way. But definitely he has no concept of road courtesy." and "Ngayon, para sa mga nagsasabing nasa right lane sila at right of way nila. Does that mean you should not show any road courtesy? Pero kapag kayo naman ang kailangan mag change lane at hindi kayo pinagbigyan... inis na inis din kayo."

you are right 50%, but you are also wrong 50%. agree ako good drivers extend courtesy to other drivers. that is defensive driving. but rules are rules. you made it appear that by not giving courtesy the honda accord driver was wrong. a driver is NOT OBLIGATED to extend courtesy when he has the right of way. and not giving courtesy does not make one a bad driver either. in fact if you will follow the rules of right of way all the time there will be many drivers out there (who do not know the rules) that will get mad at you. who's at fault? definitely not you who is following the rules di ba, rather it is them who do not know the rules who are wrong.

i'll give you an example why right of way takes precedence. suppose that you are in a full stop intersection and you arrive there at the same time as 2 other vehicles. one vehicle is at the road to your left and another vehicle is on the road directly to the right. who has right of way? the rule of right of way dictates "play right" so the vehicle on the road to your right has right of way over both you and the vehicle to your left. now would you expect him to give way to you and the other vehicle to give "courtesy"? answer is a big NO. why? because if that vehicle decides that rules don't matter and that both you and the vehicle to your left should go first then that leads to confusion, and confusion leads to accidents. di siya umabante, naghintay ka at yung kotse sa left mo, nainis kayo kasi ayaw nya umabante, tapos umabante kayo ng sabay, banggaan kayo, etc. etc. kuha mo? that is the same with the honda accord. he had right of way, nobody has any right to tell him he is a bad driver because he was not couteous because he did not give way to the ts.

road courtesy is part of good defensive driving but it is not part of the rules. the term "do not insist on your right of way" is not a rule, it is a suggestion for keeping yourself out of trouble from drivers who do not know the rules of the road.