Too many PASAWAY motorcycle RIDERS on the street

[Patti]

skwakwa? not being in defense of skwakwa but hindi ganyan ang ugaling skwakwa. sino ba ang maglalakas ng loob magmotor na walang helmet at todo-counterflow pa?

ang notorious sa ganyan (lalo na at nasa meralco avenue kayo, mahigpit ang mga naka-uniporme dyan) na patakaran ay ang mga LEO: mga pasig boys, mga MMDA, or ang mga pulis

yesterday nasa pasay ako sa world trade. ayun.. mga green boys todo counterflow na naka-motor na walang helmet pa there is a helmet law in effect in metro manila pero ang numero unong violator ay ang mga pulis (and their counterparts LEO).

haay.. napa-OT nanaman ako.

If they were wearing anything like pants and T shirts, pwede ko pa isipin that they were cops or mmda personnel. I forgot to mention they were wearing shabby shorts, slippers, and worn out sandos.

[Leviticus2]

*Levi:

Unfortunately, that point of view isn't held by majority of traffic cops and enforcers. Based on my experiences and those of the people I know, they seem to interpret a specific clause in traffic law, to which I remember roughly as something sounding like the "four-wheeled vehicle must, to his utmost capacity, avoid to have the accident", into four-wheeled vehicle is always at fault.. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong)

In other words, for some mind-boggling reason, they interpret it in such a way that the final burden/chance to avoid the accident is always up to the car, never the other non-car party, no matter what the circumstances and/or who's in the right or not.

"Motorsiklo yan...talo ka na diyan." (Familiar phrase, anyone?)

And moroncyclists (and some stupid pedestrians) on the road know and abuse this fact, which is part of the reason why there's this stigma of them among car drivers and the reason why some of them want "protection" from these hoodlums.

PS.
Of course, aggrieved car drivers can get other ammunition to fight for his case, if he finds any, such as lack of license on the other party, etc. But if it were a level playing field when it comes to government requirements....

Ang root nitong misconception o wrong info na ito ay ang pag-ipit sa car driver. Many times, ito ay nag-uumpisa sa pulis. Tatakutin muna ng pulis ng bilanggo ang driver ng kotse dahil baka maglagay nga. May lagay na si pulis, may settlement pa si rider. Many times pati si sulsol star witness eh pera pera din na tatakutin ang driver. Nahahawa ngayon ang attitude ng rider o pamilya ng namatay na rider dahil sa pakay ng pulis at sa sulsol ni witness. Kung madaling matakot at walang koneksyon ang driver, maaring mag wagi ang sistemang mali. Pero pag natakot ang pulis sa driver, iba na ang labanan. Batas at hustisya na ang iiral.

if anyone bumped me while i'm on my car and asked na ako pa ang magbayad e ako na nga ang binangga (given of course na wala naman akong violation that resulted to that particular accident ex: beating the red light, swerving, drunk etc) then he can kiss my sorry *ss at baka ako pa ang magsampa ng demanda laban sa kanya kahit sabihin na natin sobrang dehado na siya...

Hindi naman siguro tama na automatic bayad agad ang naka cage sa naka MC pag may banggaan... If this holds water, madaming "enterprising" pinoys na gagawa ng paraan at pagkakaperahan ang mga naka cage gamit ang ganitong premise...

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Isa lang ang general rule tungkol sa mga bangga.

Considering na walang violation (or road-ledal) ang binangga, ang may kasalanan ay ang bumangga (no matter how small it is).

BASTA WALANG VIOLATION ang binangga (naka helmet, updated registration, may lisensya, hindi nag-swerving, hindi reckless driving, etc), mananagot ang nakabangga.

PERO, kung ang binangga ay walang lisensya, walang rehistro or may nagawang violation prior to the accident, sya ang mananagot sa nakabangga. Kahit na motor lang sya at 18-wheeler truck ang binangga nya... kahit sugatan sya. In cases like this, hindi tatanggapin ng TPL ang claim ng non-road legal na nakabangga/binangga.

Knowing your rights will help in dealing with accidents so you can make the most out of bad situations.

[jave]

madaming "enterprising" pinoys na gagawa ng paraan at pagkakaperahan ang mga naka cage gamit ang ganitong premise...

Actually, marami na nga ganito, though not by riders (I haven't heard of any) but by pedestrians.

Sasadyain magpapasagasa, complete with "witness", para makakuha ng pera.

BASTA WALANG VIOLATION ang binangga (naka helmet, updated registration, may lisensya, hindi nag-swerving, hindi reckless driving, etc), mananagot ang nakabangga.

In an ideal scenario, yeah. But ang traffic cop, nasusuhol sa precinto mismo. Kahit na ikaw tama, kapag nasuhol na ng kabilang party, the story will be different when the traffic accident report comes out.

[Leviticus2]

Actually, marami na nga ganito, though not by riders (I haven't heard of any) but by pedestrians.

Sasadyain magpapasagasa, complete with "witness", para makakuha ng pera.




In an ideal scenario, yeah. But ang traffic cop, nasusuhol sa precinto mismo. Kahit na ikaw tama, kapag nasuhol na ng kabilang party, the story will be different when the traffic accident report comes out.

Knowing your rights will help in dealing with accidents so you can make the most out of bad situations.

be assertive naman of your rights kumbaga.

[sgt_taga]

the point of the negativity towards undisciplined riders is that they are also effing sinungaling.

alam naman nila kung sila ang me kasalanan pero ang kapal pa rin ng mga mukha.

for examples, just review the thread for the horror stories of those who got victimized.

tingin ko, putting the blame mainly on the corrupt system and on the lack of assertiveness on the part of the driver is just another classic example of what some here calls "tyrany of the weak".

ano ba naman ang magagawa ng corrupt na pulis kung ang me salang rider eh magiging maginoo at aamin ka kasalanan na nagawa?

balik lang naman yan sa orihinal na argumento tungkol sa kawalan ng disiplina ng karamihan ng mga nagmomotor.

[digitalron]

There should guidelines or laws about how motorcycles can lane split and filter, because I see these practices as among the most rampant causes of motorcycles hitting vehicles (and sadly, getting away with it).

- Filter forward only when it is safe, i.e. traffic is less than 20 kph
- Only lane split if the lanes are wide enough, and only if the guidelines are broken (not solid)
- Lane split only within lanes going the same direction, no lane splitting between opposing lanes
- The responsibility of ensuring a safe filter or lane split rests with the motorcycle rider, and in the event of an accident, it is the rider who is more liable (similar to when we car riders hit a pedestrian who jaywalks)
- The moment a motorcycle rider causes damage to a vehicle or hurts a person while filtering/lane splitting, and the rider has violations (improper riding gear, no helmet, no/expired license, no plate/sticker on the motorcycle, and similar), they are automatically at fault


I think these proposals are fair. Any motorcycle rider who practices safe motoring should see that these proposals are reasonable, while I myself am willing to negotiate on the provisions to arrive at a common ground that is beneficial to all.

On the other hand, arrogant, uneducated, and idiot riders -- I'm sure -- will start to holler "Facism!" My response? Pay up on all the damages you caused, you irresponsible cheapskates!

[miked]

Ilapit natin lahat ito kay senador bong revilla baka magawan nya ng promotion kagaya nung ginawa nya sa helmet law...malay natin. panalangin nga lang na wag ningas-cogon...

kung tutuusin kahit sa LGUs natin pwede naman nila matignan at maipatupad ito kaso diko malaman kung ano ang takbo ng isip.

[erick_214]

[SIZE="3"]To add up lang pala sa MC and cage accident....

Based on my friend's experience...

Hindi automatic na panalo sa batas ang mga MC kahit na may "value of life" na tinatawag.

1st of all, walang karapatan yung pulis na magsabi kung sino ang may kasalanan

2nd: Lahat ng yan ay nakadepende sa ATTORNEY mo...

To all the cagers out there....Huwag na lang tayo pumatol sa mga skwakwa na yan..pasasaan pa eh sila-sila rin naman magkakagitgitan balang araw...MOST of them does not even know where to STOP before a RED light...[/SIZE]

[jave]

*erick:

My friend's experience beg to disagree with the "policeman having no right to choose who is wrong." Well, actually, despite what you may have said may be true, it still happens in the typical, brazen way.

How? Traffic investigator suddenly changing/twisting the story said in the traffic report in complete defiance of common sense. You only get to see it after the traffic report is released a day or more (if they want to delay it para mawala ang init)

Ayan, kailangan mo pa magtawag ng abogado para matuwid lahat, which is sobrang hassle sa mga walang easy access sa lawyer. This is what the corrupt traffic investigators are expecting. Siguro sa mga malalaking accident, they won't try this, but for smaller scale incidents and they feel that you won't pull the lawyer card, they will try to attempt this.

[triggerman16]

kanina lang sa intersection, nasa rightmost lane ako nakastop, to my front is a delivery van. nung nag green light, yung van sa harap ko was turning right, so napachange lane ako sa middle lane., nang biglang nagsudden stop yung van, naalanganin tuloy ang pagchange lane ko so preno din ako..

pagkatapos may sumigaw ng Pu&%#ng %$# mo!!! ayun napamura si van driver, nak ng pating, may mc driver na pumilit dumaan sa right side ng van dere-derecho, parang lagi sira ang preno nila...

tsk tsk, tapos may abangers kotong cops in tandem pa a few meters ahead.. hinayaan lang nila yung mc driver..

dapat sa mga engots na rider eto ... kainis!!

[jhnkvn]

One of the most annoying moments parin is kung nagmamdali ka sa umaga, politely stopped by a traffic light, and being swarmed by motorcycles going to the front (effectively walang paki sa pedestrian lane) and then once the green is lighted, until 30km/h lang sila tapos hindi ka pa makasingit kasi ang dami nila.

[renzo_d10]

One of the most annoying moments parin is kung nagmamdali ka sa umaga, politely stopped by a traffic light, and being swarmed by motorcycles going to the front (effectively walang paki sa pedestrian lane) and then once the green is lighted, until 30km/h lang sila tapos hindi ka pa makasingit kasi ang dami nila.

:hysterical: I agree with you brother. Tapos kapag bubusinahan mo sila, sila pa ang galit. Anak ng teteng yan.

[LexTer]

pakiusap lang po. madami na akong nababasa na salitang nakaka insulto sa kapwa natin tao, at hindi karapat-dapat sa isang disenteng porum na tulad ng tsikot. maging responsable po tayo sa mga binibitiwang salita. hindi porke nakaangat na ang iba ng konti pag dating sa kabuhayan e nagbibigay na ito ng karapatan na manglait ng kapwa. for all we know e karamihan sa mga mapanginsulto e kabuhayan pa ng magulang ang ipinagmamalaki, at hindi sarili.

iwasan na lang nating gumamit ng mga masasakit na salita para tuloy lang ang ligaya. iwasan na din sana yung panglalahat.

maraming salamat sa kooperasyon. this will serve as a warning.

[ghosthunter]

One of the most annoying moments parin is kung nagmamdali ka sa umaga, politely stopped by a traffic light, and being swarmed by motorcycles going to the front (effectively walang paki sa pedestrian lane) and then once the green is lighted, until 30km/h lang sila tapos hindi ka pa makasingit kasi ang dami nila.

+1 ... and its not just early in the morning. Its all day long and into the early evening. At every stoplight on major roads.


When the light turns green, the damned things accelerate as if they were pedal bikes and they don't even have the common courtesy to stay on the right most lanes to give way to faster moving traffic.

[foresterx]

sorry bro LexTer not to start another argument, but being poor isn't an excuse to be a dumbass and just because you're poor it doesn't give you the right to not follow the law. also if you back read the thread hindi naman nilahat ng MC riders, but you can't deny the fact that most MC riders have the attitude that we all hate. ayan ha binold ko yung most baka kasi sabihin mo i generalized all MC riders. and when you say "this will serve as a warning" what do you mean by that? are you seriously threatening a whole forum?

[LexTer]

you mean closing this thread? yes.

iniiwasan namin ang di pagkakaunawaan between the 2 communities. please try to understand my post. wala akong binabangit na because they are poor.. etc.. etc... yung panglalait ang sinasabi ko. basahin mo din most of the recent comments. kaya nga after ng ilang pages ngayon lang ako nakisali sa inyo.

[ghosthunter]

sorry bro LexTer not to start another argument, but being poor isn't an excuse to be a dumbass and just because you're poor it doesn't give you the right to not follow the law. also if you back read the thread hindi naman nilahat ng MC riders, but you can't deny the fact that most MC riders have the attitude that we all hate. ayan ha binold ko yung most baka kasi sabihin mo i generalized all MC riders. and when you say "this will serve as a warning" what do you mean by that? are you seriously threatening a whole forum?

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[ghosthunter]

closing this thread? yes.

iniiwasan namin ang di pagkakaunawaan between the 2 communities. please try to understand my post. wala akong binabangit na because they are poor.. etc.. etc... yung panglalait ang sinasabi ko. basahin mo din most of the recent comments. kaya nga after ng ilang pages ngayon lang ako nakisali sa inyo.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: (to everyone)

I have closed previous threads that "discuss" about the issues with car drivers and motorcyclists because they have become nothing more than flash points for the long standing grudge against each other.

This thread has been kept open simply as an outlet for people to post their experiences and opinion in a "polite" manner.

If things become "out of hand", this thread will be closed.

Have a nice day!

[claRkEnt]

pakiusap lang po. madami na akong nababasa na salitang nakaka insulto sa kapwa natin tao, at hindi karapat-dapat sa isang disenteng porum na tulad ng tsikot. maging responsable po tayo sa mga binibitiwang salita. hindi porke nakaangat na ang iba ng konti pag dating sa kabuhayan e nagbibigay na ito ng karapatan na manglait ng kapwa. for all we know e karamihan sa mga mapanginsulto e kabuhayan pa ng magulang ang ipinagmamalaki, at hindi sarili.

iwasan na lang nating gumamit ng mga masasakit na salita para tuloy lang ang ligaya. iwasan na din sana yung panglalahat.

maraming salamat sa kooperasyon. this will serve as a warning.

natumbok mo bro! sobrang angas! :bwahaha:

[Ry_Tower]

I think the thread title should also be changed, it connotes that it is bad/wrong to buy a MC since madami na sila. Just a thought. Puwede ba yun?

Maybe we can also have a poll na rin ng proper thread title?

1. Some annoying motorcyclist...