Too many PASAWAY motorcycle RIDERS on the street

[ghosthunter]

that's why cars and motorcycles should have separate lans. if motorcycles would want to be treated as one of the cars, then drive one just like a car (i.e., sticking on the middle of the lane, avoiding sudden maneuvers, switching or cutting lanes, parking on designated parking slots not just anywhere vacant).

One problem I have with motorcycles is that they are all over the road. Even on a wide highway like C5, they cruise slower than most cars and stay in any lane they want. It would have been better if they would keep at least one lane clear of themselves so they would not block faster vehicles coming up behind them.

[jave]

Based on what info can you conclude that they have low IQ's?

General knowledge. Read articles made by auto-journalists about accidents. Go out on the streets. Just look at the majority of 2-wheels on the road. Read the statements about motorcycles made by car drivers on this board and all the other car-related forums out there. Talk to any car driver and ask them what pisses them off most of the time when driving.

Yes, that's right. PUV and motorcycles.

About that low IQ? Oh, wait, maybe EQ is a more appropriate term. Since whenever the imbeciles accidentally hit your car or whenever you try to warn them (even in a simple, non-threatening and straightforward way) about the dangers of what they're doing, their responses usually fall under these categories.

- *Ignore you and speed away*
- "Wag kang pakialamero!"
- "Wala naman nangyari sa kotse mo."
- "Siga ka. Ano gusto mo, sapakan na lang!?"
- "<Insert curse here>"

Now, tell me, would a mature person with a brain larger than their testicles respond the same way?

General knowledge? Yeah right! Just like its general knowledge that most car drivers in the philippines are bad drivers who don't follow road rules and regulations. So I guess almost every driver in the country also has the IQ of a toenail huh?

Of course, most car drivers are also bad. Most of them do not know the concept of lanes, the right way to overtake, the actual definition of swerving and can't even display plain common road courtesy even if their lives depended on it.

There are only quite a small number of people who have licenses that have actual knowledge of road rules. I'm not saying everyone is or should be perfect. Sometimes, even the ones who have brains have lapses in judgement.

Thing is, a lot of people out there who either do not know enough and don't care; or know enough but also don't care. These people are morons.

Tip to people who give tips: Check your statements before you post them. If your aim is not to offend. Maybe have a brain to know if your statement will offend the people you say you don't want to offend.

Oh, I do check them. Twice, thrice, in fact. If you are offended by them, I suggest cooling down and rereading the entire thing more. Because what I described in my previous post about people unconsciously defending the imbeciles rings true with your reply.

Never have I said that all 2-wheels are idiots. Only a good majority of them. So, why are you getting angry? If you think you consider yourself one of the rarities, a disciplined rider with a good knowledge of road rules, a sense of basic respect towards what you are and towards other people, and full knowledge of what's right or wrong; in addition to bashing those morons out there, why should you be angry whenever "outsiders" also bash them, somewhat more mercilessly?

[badsekktor]

popcorn pa at beer!

ang LTO ang may kasalanan neto eh! hehehehe!

sa totoo lang maraming rider at driver ang hindi dapat binigyan ng lisensya... nagiging monster na paghawak ng manibela....

[shadow3616931]

One problem I have with motorcycles is that they are all over the road. Even on a wide highway like C5, they cruise slower than most cars and stay in any lane they want. It would have been better if they would keep at least one lane clear of themselves so they would not block faster vehicles coming up behind them.

+1 ako pag binusinahan mo magagalit then haharurot kala mo naman mananalo.

Dami kasi rider na ngayon lang nakahawak ng manibela mga dating nagko commute lang kala nila ganon ganon lang pagmamaneho. They dont know the word safety try nyong pabasa mga road signs di nila alam parang mga PUV drivers

[jave]

Exactly, bad.

This isn't a motorcycle hate thread. It's about the idiots on motorcycles and how their moronic actions have tainted the general reputation of motorcyclists towards others.

Why do non-riders abhor them? Maybe it's a mix of the fact that they are small and hard to notice until it's too late (and despite this, the amount of idiocy they display would rival those of the imbeciles with cars), the general, shameless traffic culture in this country and how stupid our traffic laws and conflict resolution is. (Motorcycle ang kabangga mo? Talo ka agad. Kahit na ikaw sumusunod sa batas at siya hindi.)

It's a screwed-up world.

[redeemed]

up ko lang, lately kasi dumadami na mga MC drivers na di tumitingin bago lumiko sa intersection basta liko na lang sila. just yesterday halos ilan inches na lang talaga tatamaan ko na tapos nung nag busina ako ng malakas siya pa ang galit. talagang gusto ko barilin okaya balian ko ng buto kaso kasama ko family ko, kung di ko lang kasama siguro nasa kulungan ako ngayon.

hay naku bro! na-experinced ko na rin yan. sila pa nga galit... ugali ko kasi to turn-signal 50-100 m. bago lumiko. so, tingin sa right-side mirror, signal na ako malayo pa lang pakanan kasi papark ako sa isang 7-eleven store.. eto ba namang mokong mabilis, pilit na sumiksik sa kanan at dun lumusot.. kung di ako nakapagbreak... sapul sana. sya pa galit.. sama pa ng tingin! kainis! nasira tuloy umaga ko nun... pangalawa, nanlambot tuhod ko... kasi sa C5 ako, from 80kph.. slow down na about 300 m. kasi kakanan na ako.. right-signal.. tingin sa mirror.. clear, so lipat ako from middle to outer lane para kumanan... nung pakanan na ako.. ito naman si MC bigla na namang sa kanan lumusot para umovertake.. anak ng...! nakakapanggigil talaga!

[slalom]

+1 ako pag binusinahan mo magagalit then haharurot kala mo naman mananalo.

Dami kasi rider na ngayon lang nakahawak ng manibela mga dating nagko commute lang kala nila ganon ganon lang pagmamaneho. They dont know the word safety try nyong pabasa mga road signs di nila alam parang mga PUV drivers

Natuto lang mag bisikleta bumili na ng motor ayun kaya walang alam sa traffic rules hehe.. mandadamay pa sa barubal nilang pag momotor eh kahit kase kasalanan nila ikaw pa rin malalagot lalo na kung namatay.

[digitalron]

Take all those people put them in cars(even 2 people each per car) and imagine what the pictures would be like. Scary huh? Traffic 10 times worse than what that picture of I presume to be Vietnam will be.

So yes my dear friend, motorcycles and bikes do indeed reduce traffic by a large degree which is why they are encouraged in Europe with tax breaks to get people to leave their gas guzzling, traffic inducing cars at home and ride a bike or train to work instead.

It was a tongue-in-cheek post, obviously. Geez. even without a smiley, I'm sure those with a sense of humor (and without guilt) managed to at least smile.

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But I will bring it up here: almost always, when I am about to turn in a particular direction, and there are motorcycles around me, and despite me signaling several meters (at least 20-30 meters) ahead of the turn. motorcyclists insist on staying on the side I'm about to turn and squeeze themselves ahead of me even when I'm already doing my turn. Almost every single time I drive this happens, sometimes more than once in a trip.

In all the times a motorcycle has hit my vehicle (while I am freaking stopped on a red light or stopped because of traffic), the motorcyclist ran away, and in a lot of cases, their plate reads "For registration"

Yup... I do encounter on a regular basis (basically daily) riders who counterflow, even when my side of the road is quite tight (see JP Rizal in the morning from 7 onwards), riders who disregard the a red light on a T-intersection (JP Rizal and Makati Avenue-Kalayaan coming from Rockwell), riders who swerve and weave without signaling, riders with cargoes who squeeze themselves between my car and the sidewalk without regard to scratching my side, riders running at 40 kph in fast lanes, riders coming from the opposite direction with brights on or uncalibrated HIDs at night, riders who squeeze in front of me in the line leading to the parking area (SM Hypermart and North Edsa).

So yeah, it's so easy for me (and others) to think that a great majority of motorcycle riders have a deficiency in their thinking capability.

[sm2by]

Thats why when it starts to rain, I'm always happy seeing those fools huddle up under a dilapidated waiting shed all miserable and bored out of their minds

[Joned]

Oh, I do check them. Twice, thrice, in fact. If you are offended by them, I suggest cooling down and rereading the entire thing more. Because what I described in my previous post about people unconsciously defending the imbeciles rings true with your reply.

Never have I said that all 2-wheels are idiots. Only a good majority of them. So, why are you getting angry? If you think you consider yourself one of the rarities, a disciplined rider with a good knowledge of road rules, a sense of basic respect towards what you are and towards other people, and full knowledge of what's right or wrong; in addition to bashing those morons out there, why should you be angry whenever "outsiders" also bash them, somewhat more mercilessly?

You don't get it. I'm not defending the idiots. Nowhere in my post does it imply that I'm defending any road idiot. By all means keep bashing the idiots. What is wrong is you making an IQ claim without any basis. I hate baseless claims and that is what I highlighted in your post. An IQ claim not based on facts and without scientific merit only he said she said from car forums and car fanatics. Your post was fine until the IQ statement. Sweeping claims with no basis should be avoided just like racists should stop generalizing other races with baseless comments. Baseless sweeping claims can backfire as I mentioned with the generalization of car drivers argument in my post. That kind of baseless statement makes the person look like just another car or motorcycle fanatic who fails to see the two sides of the coin.

Rather than IQ/EQ deficiency, I would use the term ignorant instead. Most MC riders are ignorant of proper road usage such also applies to car drivers. Whether it is caused by their lack of proper driving education or just the filipino driving attitude where almost everyone doesn't follow the rules and just joins the offenders in their way of driving/riding. "If you can't beat them, join them" mentality.

I've been in many debate competitions in my college years so it's a habit of mine to answer back baseless statements. I drive cars and ride big bikes so I see the errors of both parties.


Motorcycle lanes are often mentioned as a solution at car forums. Sadly motorcycle lanes will not work and are impractical if you really take time to study it and see how much it would make traffic worse and the amount of money it takes to implement. If a law is made to make motorcycle lanes, that would mean 1 lane on every road will have to be made MC only. That means 1 less lane to be used by traffic inducing cars on the road. Add the filipino driving attitude to the equation and you will see cars/trucks/puv's all violating the MC lane due to the immense traffic on the streets. If that happens what would be the point in even having a segregated MC lane then? That is precisely why MC lanes will not work in the country and will actually make things worse.

The only real solution is law enforcement. Force the bad drivers/riders to learn their mistakes by giving them fines/penalties so they will learn what not to do on the road. Sadly with the police force in the country that is not happening anytime soon.

Taking a zero tolerance policy and proper enforcement of the road rules for a period of about a year should be enough time to teach most filipinos how to properly drive. That is the only solution that I can see will work. If the government would do that it would probably make the national budget increase by a big amount due to the fines/penalties collected considering the amount of bad drivers and riders in the country.

[s_quilicot]

Gitgitin sila whenever they overtake sa right (kanan) lane.

[eojlin]

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The only real solution is law enforcement. Force the bad drivers/riders to learn their mistakes by giving them fines/penalties so they will learn what not to do on the road. Sadly with the police force in the country that is not happening anytime soon.

Taking a zero tolerance policy and proper enforcement of the road rules for a period of about a year should be enough time to teach most filipinos how to properly drive. That is the only solution that I can see will work. If the government would do that it would probably make the national budget increase by a big amount due to the fines/penalties collected considering the amount of bad drivers and riders in the country.

Uhm... i don't think "ignorant" motorcycle riders would stop when flagged to stop. I've seen a lot of instances where they just don't stop and speed away (most of us probably seen some of these).

You can chase cars (specially in traffic jams), but it's more difficult to chase MC's (try nyo lang: hehe) - traffic enforcers usually don't chase MCs. Even enforcers on big bikes find it difficult or not feasible to chase MC's - this is one of the reasons why crooks use MC's in their MO's (bank robberies, jewelry store heists, gun shooting, and other street crimes: it is also more difficult to find/recover carnapped bikes). If it's hard to enforce traffic rules on car drivers, it's just going to be significantly harder on riders - don't you think?

Better solution... no motorcycles less than 400cc in EDSA and C5 too (specially flyovers and viaducts). well, this is also because, fewer "ignorant" riders on big bikes - if you notice. But again, politicians' number of votes and business supporters will be greatly affected - this is going to be bad for their political careers.

[jave]

*Joned:

I call them idiots (just to be clear, the idiots riders/drivers/anybody operating a motor vehicle) because that's what I think of them. Idiots. Which basically means somebody with a low mental capacity, aka low IQ. It's not really something I or anybody else would need to prove, because they have clearly shown that they're mentally retarded enough not to know that what they're doing is dangerous to both them and others, that they seem unable to learn from others' mistakes or by seeing accidents in news and aren't even capable of common sense and ordinary reasoning.

Hihintayin pa ba nila maaksidente sila bago matuto?

I don't use the word ignorant because that's solely reserved for the people who do not know what's right or wrong, but have shown a willingness to learn and correct their ways.

These imbeciles on the other hand? They don't know and they don't care.

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I agree with you on the motorcycle lanes. Natural na pasaway ang Pinoy. They won't follow such rules and enforcers won't care.

[Joned]

Better solution... no motorcycles less than 400cc in EDSA and C5 too (specially flyovers and viaducts). well, this is also because, fewer "ignorant" riders on big bikes - if you notice. But again, politicians' number of votes and business supporters will be greatly affected - this is going to be bad for their political careers.

That solution is not possible. That's like saying all poor people should be banned from the streets. People buy small MC's because they are cheap and economical. If the government were to implement a law like that, they might as well ban all MC's from the streets since 90% of MC's in the country are sub400cc. The problem isn't with the vehicle but with the drivers. Sub400cc MC's are more than adequate for the city streets since speeds rarely go beyond 100kph.

There are fewer big bike accidents or issues simply because there are so little of them out there that to spot one is like spotting a sports car on the road. That is how rare big bikes are on the roads. I ride with big bike groups often and I can say from experience that a great deal of them are almost as reckless as their small bike counterparts. Again its not because of the vehicle, since most Big bike users drive cars most of the time it's simply the filipino attitude towards driving. They are free to do things they would otherwise not be able to do with their cars on the road.

Uhm... i don't think "ignorant" motorcycle riders would stop when flagged to stop. I've seen a lot of instances where they just don't stop and speed away (most of us probably seen some of these).

You can chase cars (specially in traffic jams), but it's more difficult to chase MC's (try nyo lang: hehe) - traffic enforcers usually don't chase MCs. Even enforcers on big bikes find it difficult or not feasible to chase MC's - this is one of the reasons why crooks use MC's in their MO's (bank robberies, jewelry store heists, gun shooting, and other street crimes: it is also more difficult to find/recover carnapped bikes). If it's hard to enforce traffic rules on car drivers, it's just going to be significantly harder on riders - don't you think?

The police and mmda with MC's can surely chase these offenders, but they are just too lazy to do so. The offending MC driver may outrun another MC but he/she can't outrun the radio. They can just radio ahead to other enforcers to catch the runner. If the rider crashes then too bad. They should still apprehend the offender and make him feel the pain of his mistake by having him pay damages and go to jail for evading the police.

All the difficulties you mentioned can be solved if the police/mmda in the country weren't so damn stupid and lazy. If they were like police in Europe, USA, or even Singapore people would be alot more disciplined on the road.

The root cause of the problem is still the lack of driver education and law enforcement to ensure the drivers follow the rules and not drive like idiots. Banning this and that vehicle will not solve the problem.

[Joned]

*double post*

[foresterx]

they should have an IQ test for all MC drivers before they sell them one.

[yapoy86]

yung mga underbone motorcycle lang ang vehicle eh mga wannabee yan.. hindi nila afford ang kotse kaya motor lang ang afford nila.. lalo na yung ma naka honda xrm/wave.. mga wannabee yan na magkaron ng jazz/civic kaso pang xrm/wave lang ang beauty nila hahahaha

minsan nga sa parking meron naka park na motor yung mokong while waiting eh nakahiga dun sa motor nya.. akala mo kotse na naka recline yung seats...wannabee...

tapos madalas yan feeling apat ang gulong lalo na kung magpatakbo tapos pag bumangga sa kotse gawa ng katangahan nila... ikaw pa may kasalanan

[claRkEnt]

The police and mmda with MC's can surely chase these offenders, but they are just too lazy to do so. The offending MC driver may outrun another MC but he/she can't outrun the radio. They can just radio ahead to other enforcers to catch the runner. If the rider crashes then too bad. They should still apprehend the offender and make him feel the pain of his mistake by having him pay damages and go to jail for evading the police.

All the difficulties you mentioned can be solved if the police/mmda in the country weren't so damn stupid and lazy. If they were like police in Europe, USA, or even Singapore people would be alot more disciplined on the road.

The root cause of the problem is still the lack of driver education and law enforcement to ensure the drivers follow the rules and not drive like idiots. Banning this and that vehicle will not solve the problem.

agree on this one... either the TE's are too lazy to chase or they are really just after Kotong and they know they won't get anything from the MC riders.

[eojlin]

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The police and mmda with MC's can surely chase these offenders, but they are just too lazy to do so. The offending MC driver may outrun another MC but he/she can't outrun the radio. They can just radio ahead to other enforcers to catch the runner. If the rider crashes then too bad. They should still apprehend the offender and make him feel the pain of his mistake by having him pay damages and go to jail for evading the police.

All the difficulties you mentioned can be solved if the police/mmda in the country weren't so damn stupid and lazy. If they were like police in Europe, USA, or even Singapore people would be alot more disciplined on the road.
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Yup. Point taken, but still, we have to admit that indeed chasing MC's is much more difficult than chasing cars. Kung paghabol sa kotse tinatamad na sila, lalo pa kaya sa motorbikes (hindi lang sa Pilipinas ganito).

I guess my previous post still stands: on reasons why it's more difficult to chase MC's; on why crooks nowadays choose MC's in their MO's; and on the feasibility of implementing more traffic rules (much on fines and jail time - come on). Imagine if you're one of the persistent traffic enforcers on Philippine roads and climate, it's not that easy and we can not just call them "stupid" or even "ignorant". (na try mo na ba?) :D

Btw, we can not compare our situation with Europe and Singapore (kung poor ka, di ka talaga makakagamit ng sasakyan sa kalsada - di nga natin magagawa ito diba... hehe). Naisip mo na rin ba maglagay ng police galing Europe, USA, o Singapore sa mga kalsada natin: sa tingin mo ba tatagal sila? Mga dalawang oras lang maaamoy na nila mga sarili nila at iinit na mga ulo ng mga yan; at marami pang ibang dahilan. :D

[eojlin]

Let's site one specific road incident (for cars and for MC's):
"reckless imprudence resulting in damage to property"

- Kung kotse makasabit ng isa pang kotse or ng motorcycle, nahahabol yung offender at pinagbabayad.

- Now try, motorcycle/scooter sumabit sa kotse or any other vehicle... ano sa tingin nyo?

We can be more creative and think of other incidents why it's more difficult to apprehend MC riders. Marami pang iba!