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    #41
    Quote Originally Posted by babynos01 View Post
    Lahat naman ata sila sir imported ang fuel e. Ang refinery ata nila dito is para sa mga oil products na binibenta nila (engine oil, atf, brake fluid, coolant, etc).
    i guess so... was wondering why Petron is buying finished products abroad meron naman sila refinery dito

    Petron buys 250,000 barrels of diesel abroad per month

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon777 View Post
    sir,just curious as to why you and your family let go of the franchise? i know that gasoline stations have a low margin for products sold pero super tagal ba ng ROI?
    We are selling around 8000 liters of fuel a day.
    Baka sabihin mo sir mataas na yan, honestly hindi. Others can sell twice or thrice our daily volume haha. Maybe even more.

    Mahirap kasi ma meet yung quota nila (which increases every quarter ata? not sure).
    Naalala ko ang quota sa fuel is 13K liters a day, tapos sa lubricants is 1K liters a month.
    So ayun, puro warning haha. Until inofferan kami na kukunin nalang daw nila yung franchise sa amin, pero we declined.
    After a couple of months, nagka leak underneath. Nabutas yung pipe na dinadaluyan ng fuel papunta sa pump dispensers. (loss)
    Ayun, inaccept na namin yung offer tapos binalik nila kalahati ng franchise fee kasi hindi nga natapos yung contract.
    Tapos nagkaroon pa ng isang MALAKING problema na ayaw ko na sabihin haha. Relative related ) (another big loss)
    Nabulag ng pera e.

    Regarding ROI naman, basta marami bumibili sayo ng fuel, ok service niyo, marami nagpapagawa ng kotse, walang problem.
    Mababa kasi markup sa fuel e. Ang malaki ay yung sa lubricants.
    Kahit na nagkaroon kami ng serious problems, kumita parin kami. Yun nga lang, nabawasan.
    Kayang kaya bawiin in one year yung franchise fee. Kung talagang malakas ka, baka in 6 months bawi ka na e.

    Another important thing, wag din mangdaya sa calibration ng pump. Thats the easiest way para kumita, pero lagot ka sa DOE kapag nahuli ka haha.

    BTW, may nabasa akong post ni sir pop3corn na si sir StarexGold daw in-partner sa shell?
    Baka pwede mo kami bigyan ng insights sir.

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    #43
    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    i guess so... was wondering why Petron is buying finished products abroad meron naman sila refinery dito

    Petron buys 250,000 barrels of diesel abroad per month
    Oo nga no. Baka hindi sapat yung na-proproduce nila?

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    #44
    ya baka kulang... lakas ng demand. Pinas growing economy eh

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    #45
    Quote Originally Posted by babynos01 View Post
    We are selling around 8000 liters of fuel a day.
    Baka sabihin mo sir mataas na yan, honestly hindi. Others can sell twice or thrice our daily volume haha. Maybe even more.

    Mahirap kasi ma meet yung quota nila (which increases every quarter ata? not sure).
    Naalala ko ang quota sa fuel is 13K liters a day, tapos sa lubricants is 1K liters a month.
    Babynos, thanks for the insight

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    #46
    Quote Originally Posted by jon777 View Post
    Babynos, thanks for the insight
    No prob sir, charge to experience nalang haha.
    Planning to franchise a station sir?

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    #47
    Quote Originally Posted by babynos01 View Post
    Lahat naman ata sila sir imported ang fuel e. Ang refinery ata nila dito is para sa mga oil products na binibenta nila (engine oil, atf, brake fluid, coolant, etc).

    On our case, i can only speak on unioil kasi naging part din kami ng family nila. Yung additive nila is Greenburn combustion tech. Nakausap ko kasi yung Manager and yung iba pa before.
    Yung mga small players kailangan talaga iimport yung fuel nila, wala naman kasi silang refinery. Pero yung mga big oil companies na may refinery kung iimport din lang sila ng fuel bakit hindi pa mga euro-4 and above ang iimport nila?

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    #48
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    Yung mga small players kailangan talaga iimport yung fuel nila, wala naman kasi silang refinery. Pero yung mga big oil companies na may refinery kung iimport din lang sila ng fuel bakit hindi pa mga euro-4 and above ang iimport nila?
    Expensive and frankly, look at our roads, conservatively, 70% seems to be designed to run on euro-2 diesel fuels.

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    #49
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn_duke View Post
    Yung mga small players kailangan talaga iimport yung fuel nila, wala naman kasi silang refinery. Pero yung mga big oil companies na may refinery kung iimport din lang sila ng fuel bakit hindi pa mga euro-4 and above ang iimport nila?
    coz there's no govt regulation that says they have to

    Petron imports 500 ppm sulfur diesel

    ultra low sulfur diesel iis 50 ppm

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    #50
    Quote Originally Posted by babynos01 View Post
    We are selling around 8000 liters of fuel a day.
    Baka sabihin mo sir mataas na yan, honestly hindi. Others can sell twice or thrice our daily volume haha. Maybe even more.

    Mahirap kasi ma meet yung quota nila (which increases every quarter ata? not sure).
    Naalala ko ang quota sa fuel is 13K liters a day, tapos sa lubricants is 1K liters a month.
    So ayun, puro warning haha. Until inofferan kami na kukunin nalang daw nila yung franchise sa amin, pero we declined.
    After a couple of months, nagka leak underneath. Nabutas yung pipe na dinadaluyan ng fuel papunta sa pump dispensers. (loss)
    Ayun, inaccept na namin yung offer tapos binalik nila kalahati ng franchise fee kasi hindi nga natapos yung contract.
    Tapos nagkaroon pa ng isang MALAKING problema na ayaw ko na sabihin haha. Relative related ) (another big loss)
    Nabulag ng pera e.

    Regarding ROI naman, basta marami bumibili sayo ng fuel, ok service niyo, marami nagpapagawa ng kotse, walang problem.
    Mababa kasi markup sa fuel e. Ang malaki ay yung sa lubricants.
    Kahit na nagkaroon kami ng serious problems, kumita parin kami. Yun nga lang, nabawasan.
    Kayang kaya bawiin in one year yung franchise fee. Kung talagang malakas ka, baka in 6 months bawi ka na e.

    Another important thing, wag din mangdaya sa calibration ng pump. Thats the easiest way para kumita, pero lagot ka sa DOE kapag nahuli ka haha.

    BTW, may nabasa akong post ni sir pop3corn na si sir StarexGold daw in-partner sa shell?
    Baka pwede mo kami bigyan ng insights sir.
    sir, can you also give us insight regarding the storage tanks ng smaller players? may QA ba from head office nagc-check ng mga tanks kung may rust, etc.

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