one man's opinion...

**Jun aka Pekto** · April 13th, 2007 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Chip

try using the ultimate rationale:

"e, kesa mambabae ako?"

Ummm. That wouldn't work. Right after the honeymoon, she threatened to clean me out for everything I've got if I ever cheated on her.

Besides, she already hates my Laser. I'll have to get rid of that first before I can even think of owning a Mustang.

**Chip** · April 13th, 2007 04:53 PM

ouch. the missus knows to hit where it hurts hehe

**midinite** · April 13th, 2007 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by bbt

here's a clip from the same show of a more recent incarnation of the mustang not quite living up to the reputation:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kGd1UBUDv...elated&search=

and the point being?

would that be classic cant see the forest from the trees (or in this case tree?)

**midinite** · April 13th, 2007 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jun aka Pekto

Well, if he's on drugs, I want whatever he's sniffing. My uncles were either Dodge or GM pony-car owners when they were my age. My dad had a very rare V8 Dodge Dart and 2 of my uncles opted for the V8 Pontiac Firebird. 2 other uncles had V8s of some sort. I remember dimly one uncle having a 71 Oldsmobile Cutlass. Last one I can't recall. All of them had to get rid of their ponycars and settle for family cars after the energy crisis hit.

But none of them ever had a Mustang. I want to change that trend. I want one even an old junky one as a hobby car. Even my Dad asked me to get one. Problem's the wife. She doesn't seem to understand a guy's fascination with cars.

hehehe pass that over here,man. guess millions of addicts cant be all that wrong?

**empy** · April 14th, 2007 05:25 AM

the statement being made is "greatest car ever". if he or anyone else said "my favorite car ever" i wouldn't dream of disagreeing.

what objective criteria could the Mustang be considered the greatest ever?

sales?
value appreciation?
resale value?
price-to-performance ratio?
pure performance?
turning the fortunes of its maker around?
mystique?
current market demand?
started a new genre or trend of cars?

i named all the criteria i think the mustang is a contender in, for argument's sake.

i'm too lazy to do the research, but i'm willing to bet that there are cars that beat the mustang in each one. just off the top of my head, cars like the VW Beetle, Toyota Corolla, the Ferrari GTO/GT California, Bugatti anything, Buick Grand National, Dodge Neon, Lancer Evo, Ferrari Enzo, Lotus Elise, Aston Martin DB5, Jeep Wrangler, Toyota FJ Landcruiser and Chrysler minivan all beat the Mustang in at least one category.

**Jun aka Pekto** · April 14th, 2007 06:52 AM

It's one of those things that require no explanation.

I want a Mustang. Why? I just want one. There's a lot of things I want that have no justification. A Mustang is one of them. If there's anything in that list that comes close, it's mystique I suppose. But, mystique doesn't even come to my mind.

**empy** · April 14th, 2007 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Jun aka Pekto

It's one of those things that require no explanation.

I want a Mustang. Why? I just want one. There's a lot of things I want that have no justification. A Mustang is one of them. If there's anything in that list that comes close, it's mystique I suppose. But, mystique doesn't even come to my mind.

so again, that is defining "your favorite car", or "the car i want most", or "the best car for me", and with that i have no argument.

i think the debate is about whether the Mustang has a shot at being objectively being called the greatest car ever. or did i miss the point of the thread?

btw add the Model T Ford, Ford GT and Porsche 911 to my list of contenders above. also add "racing lineage or success" to my list of criteria.

**Jun aka Pekto** · April 14th, 2007 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by M54 Powered

so again, that is defining "your favorite car", or "the car i want most", or "the best car for me", and with that i have no argument.

i think the debate is about whether the Mustang has a shot at being objectively being called the greatest car ever. or did i miss the point of the thread?

btw add the Model T Ford, Ford GT and Porsche 911 to my list of contenders above. also add "racing lineage or success" to my list of criteria.

I dunno. I just want one.

Yeah, you have the Porches, Ferraris, and what not. But, they're more for the snobby rich. Mustangs, on the other hand has pricing for the masses, the boy-racer crowd, more grassroots than bourgeois, a wildness/freedom in the middle of nowhere with heavy metal music rather than listening to a boring piano sonata in some stuffy socialite surrounding. I think that's the essence of my feeling for it.

The kind of freedom like here:

**midinite** · April 16th, 2007 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Jun aka Pekto

I dunno. I just want one.

Yeah, you have the Porches, Ferraris, and what not. But, they're more for the snobby rich. Mustangs, on the other hand has pricing for the masses, the boy-racer crowd, more grassroots than bourgeois, a wildness/freedom in the middle of nowhere with heavy metal music rather than listening to a boring piano sonata in some stuffy socialite surrounding. I think that's the essence of my feeling for it.

The kind of freedom like here:

+1

kahit dito aspiration ng common tao has been achieved with it...i think you hit the nail on the head with it being non-elitista