Ford Philippines introduces the Focus 1.6 M/T

[kmo]

hmm for me kaya wala ata masyado bumibili ng focus kasi mahal ! ginawa nga nilang 1.8l at 2.0 engine ng focus but the 1.8 altis still beats them in performance who would whats the use of a bigger displacement engine if the 1.8l engine of the competitor beats the hell out it? tsaka the power is very impt rin khit paano sa power to weight ratio ng car at hindi lang basta basta kung 1.6l matipid look at the optra 1.6l nga takaw naman same ata yung 1.6l nya sa mazda 3 na 1.6l i think ... well sana if ibaba nila yung price ng focus ng konti especially the hatch version

i think regarding the lynx, kaya rin siya ata mas mura coz it was still based on the old familia parin so basically its kinda old khit na nilagyan pa ng mga moon roof yan etc overall its still older than the civic and altis na nilabas kasabay nya

and last is that its really not fair comparing the altis civics to the audi and bmw with a 1.6l engine and saying na ripoff dahil mataas price nila well your paying for the luxury of the vehicle and the prestige na naka audi ka or bmw and i dont see anyhting wrong with the 1.6l engine madalas naman driver nagdrdrive nun and yung bumili walang paki sa engine basta sa looks ok na sila and overall build quality tatalunin parin mga civic dahil solid na solid parin till now yng mga audi and bmw na may ganun engine compared sa mga civic na laspag na so i guess the extra 700k or so is really worth the money

well all of these are just my opinion hehehe wala sana magagalit !

[niky]

Ako magagalit! :lol:

Clarification: The Toyota 1.8, despite its vaunted 145 hp, is really around 120-126 hp, and isn't that fast (around 11 seconds or so). The Focus 1.8 has much, much more kit than the Toyota, and it really feels solid. The reason I bring up the Audi comparison is the Focus is trying to move upmarket, and it gives a very Germanic feel in terms of ride comfort and sound insulation.

That said, the Toyota is still a bit faster than the Focus 1.8 (not the 2.0) and has much better fuel economy. It's just not as "special" inside.

The 1.6 Optra and Mazdas which are reputed guzzlers have AT. The reportedly "guzzly" Focus 1.8 also has an AT. The 1.6 Focus is MT. The mileage numbers I'm quoting for the Focus come from magazine tests.

The 1.6 Mazda really isn't a guzzler when driven well. It's just that people want more power, and they want it right now (pedal to the floor style driving). When they learn to drive them the way they are supposed to be driven, the gas consumption becomes acceptable. You can either have acceleration or fuel economy, but not both at the same time.

BTW, the Lynx wasn't just the old Familia. It was a rebadge of the then "current" Familia/Protege, and the 1.8s and 2.0s in the US were consistently picked as "Best Buys" over the Civics and Corollas of the time (the 1.6 model we had here wasn't in the US, and had an entirely different engine architecture). Still, since most people didn't know this, the Lynx got no respect, hence, the low price and good deals on Lynxes.

Despite the prestige, I think it's too much to ask for to pay over 1.5 million for a base-level Audi or BMW. Build quality? Compared to the Japanese, no. Prestige? Yes, but is it worth the extra million? I'm impressed with the latest Accord and Camry. Yes, they're still not as luxurious as the Euros, but the interior appointments are excellent for the money. Same goes for the Focus. They give you that "euro-feel" without the Euro price tag.

If I had the money, I'd consider a BMW or an Audi, but in terms of "snob-appeal", the base models are sad. For the same money, you could get a very nice SUV or a V6 Japanese sedan with MORE space, comfort and speed. And you still wouldn't get any respect from the guys who spent more money to buy the "nicer" models.

ayan... tapos na galit ko...

[slicker_boi]

788K should be a decent price for a car that offers better outside and inside looks, as well as more goodies. Its 116 hp engine should be good enough, just as powerful as the Altis 1.6. While the Toyota might be marginally quicker and more economical, the Ford makes up with much better handling.

Introducing a manual Focus is a very good move by Ford. Now the chassis can be better exploited. Introducing a stick to the 1.8 and 2.0 would even be better, and with that, we shall see more of these during track days. Plus, the new Civic, with a base 1.8 engine and probably has a manual as well, is just around the corner.

[basti08]

Focus is all about good handling when it was first created.
also space... it was afterall, the Escort replacement, Escort which is neither a good handler and spacious...the MKII though even though not as spacious is more luxurious and still much of a handler compared to MKI... its more expensive too.
i think this 1.6L Focus is meant to compete with top line 1.6's like the Altis E, Sentra GS, Civic VTi-S.

[kmo]

haha sorry just expressing my opinion hehehe

ah btw one thing lang na napasin ko when i look at the focus sa showroom was that parang may build quality issue ata yung mga focus sa interior pero sa labas wala naman problema yung mags lang ng hatch na sakto sa mazda with a different center cap lang hehehe

[eggman]

790k pala ang price ng Focus 1.6 M/T Sedan...

[musang]

i'm seriously considering this car as a replacement for my civic ek. does anyone know how's the actual fuel mileage?

[AG4]

you will be surprised to know that the 2005+ 4-cylinder duratec engines are based on MZR engines. so it's the reverse -- the old duratec's are the rehashed ones.

http://www.answers.com/topic/mazda-z-engine

quote:

The Mazda Z engine family is an evolution of the B family. It started with 2.0 L and 2.3 L variants found in the Mazda3, Mazda Mazda6 and Ford Ranger. For 2004, Ford dropped its own Zeta Zetec engines in favor of Mazda's, naming the resulting engine the Duratec 20 and Duratec 23.

Yup, thats true for the bigger inline-4 Duratec engines(2.0 and 2.3), they are based on MZR engines...

But the smaller Duratecs are original Ford engines based on the old Zetec.
Ford's two 1.6 liter Duratecs found in the euro Focus for example are true "Ford" engines.
Its a different case for the local Focus 1.6.
I checked out the Focus 1.6 Trend displayed a few weeks ago at Gateway Mall....
The sales guy kept on saying it had a Ford engine but not a Duratec(which he wasn't even sure of), so I checked the specs on the stand...
The Focus 1.6 Trend's engine capacity is 1598 cc
Has a max Power 105 PS * 6000 rpm
and Max torque 145 Nm * 4000 rpm
This only means one thing... (see engine specs below)....

Euro market 2006 Ford Focus's two 1.6 liter engines...
Duratec 1.6L
Number of cylinders 4, In-line
Engine capacity 1596 cc
Number of valves 16 DOHC
Fuel Petrol, Injection by cylinder
Bore 79.0 mm
Stroke 81.4 mm
Compression ratio 11.0
Max Power 74 kW (100.6 PS) * 6000 rpm
Max torque 150 Nm * 4000 rpm

Duratec 1.6L "Ti-VCT"
Number of cylinders 4, In-line
Engine capacity 1596 cc
Number of valves 16 DOHC
Fuel Petrol, Injection by cylinder
Bore 79.0 mm
Stroke 81.4 mm
Compression ratio 11.0
Max Power 85 kW (115.6 PS) * 6000 rpm
Max torque 155 Nm * 4150 rpm

Mazda 3's 1.6 liter MZR...
MZR 1.6L
Number of cylinders 4, In-line
Engine capacity 1598 cc
Number of valves 16 DOHC
Fuel Petrol, Injection by cylinder
Bore 78.0 mm
Stroke 83.6 mm
Compression ratio 10.0
Max Power 77 kW (105 PS) * 6000 rpm
Max torque 145 Nm * 4000 rpm

The RP Focus 1.6 uses an MZR and not a Duratec 1.6 like the Euro verson.... the MZR is bigger by 2cc and has 5 more PS than the Duratec 1.6(10 less than the Duratec Ti-VCT), but has 5Nm less torque(10 less than the Duratec Ti-VCT)

[pixelparadigm]

Dare I say, that the Ford Focus actually is a much better car than it's cousin Mazda 3? Both handles well really, but I find the driving comforts of the Focus much better. I really like the stiff seats on the Focus, they're specially supportive and suprisingly comfortable.

[orly_andico]

The RP Focus 1.6 uses an MZR and not a Duratec 1.6 like the Euro verson.... the MZR is bigger by 2cc and has 5 more PS than the Duratec 1.6(10 less than the Duratec Ti-VCT), but has 5Nm less torque(10 less than the Duratec Ti-VCT)

considering that they all roll off the same Sta. Rosa plant, that's pretty much expected.

why is it mazda always coughs up the wimpiest engines in its class. compare say the 323 and the AE101 corolla (4AFE). or the Lynx and the AE121 Altis 1.6. and now this... laging huli ang mazda, pinaka-low tech ang makina nila, and the least fuel-efficient.

but that said, 105ps while bordering on pathetic for the mazda3 (the only thing worse i can think of is the 90hp engine in the sentra 1.3GX AT) should be pretty acceptable on an MT focus.