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  1. Join Date
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    #21
    Having ridden and driven both Mz3 and Focus, it's a toss-up between them. The Focus does have better sound insulation, though the Mazda won't disappoint. The Mazda seems to be a bit sharper in steering, but the Focus steering is very good, too. Both are saddled with anemic automatic transmissions, which sap power and gas, but as miLes has said, and as many Focus owners report, gas mileage is okay for the 2.0, and it's only the in the first thousand kilometers wherein they guzzle (the engines are still tight at the beginning)

    Basically, the way the battle seems to be shaping up:

    Mazda3 2.0R - boyracer, sporty, stylish and flashy.

    Ford Focus 2.0 - premium sports hatch, subdued and comfortable (still can't get over those rear AC vents... mmmmmhhhhmmmmm)

    Honda Civic 2.0 - baby Accord? mid-sized executive express with a touch of sportiness. Technophile's wet dream.

    I'm still waiting to test the Civic. From all feedback, both local and abroad, it is apparently not as sharp or as sporty as the Focus, but it's still a step above the others, and the suspension is apparently more supple (comfortable) without being excessively soft. The manual transmission option is definitely a plus if you're into that kind of thing, and the automatics have always been very good.

    But prices will probably be high. Expect the 1.8 to cost almost as much as current 2.0s and the 2.0s to cost more than the competition. Hopefully Honda will keep the prices low, but I doubt it. They have to clear space in their line-up to accomodate the top-of-the-line City and Jazz.
    Last edited by niky; March 10th, 2006 at 11:40 PM.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #22
    Di ko lang sure kung lalabas yun civic na hatch dito, that's the better looking one. The orange civic that we see in pictures is the Si, the last Civic Si didn't reach our country. The 8th gen civic sedan looks like a bigger vios. I'd probably pick the Focus hatch first then the MZ3 2.0 then the Civic. Unless the Civic hatch Si is going to be released here then that's going to be my first choice.

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    #23
    So far, prices haven't changed yet which is good:

    1.8 V m/t - 789,000
    1.8 V a/t - 825,000
    1.8 S m/t - 832,000
    1.8 S a/t - 867,000
    2.0 S m/t - 962,000
    2.0 S-L a/t with paddle shifts - 1.002M
    1.3 IMA Hybrid CVT non-tiptronic - TBA

    Comparisons:
    2.0-litre
    Honda Civic 2.0S - 962k (5MT), 1,002k (5AT)
    Mazda3 2.0R - 1,009k (4AT)
    Ford Focus 2.0 Sport - 1,025k (4AT)

    1.8-litre
    Honda Civic 1.8V - 789k (5MT), 825k (5AT)
    Honda Civic 1.8S - 832k (5MT), 867k (5AT)
    Ford Focus 1.8 Ghia - 945k (4AT), 975k (4AT + side skirts)

    1.6-litre
    Ford Focus 1.6 Trend - 799k (5MT), 849k (4AT)

    Engine specs:
    Honda Civic 2.0S - 155-hp *6500-rpm; 188-Nm *5500-rpm
    Ford Focus 2.0 Sport - 145-hp *6000-rpm; 185-Nm *4000-rpm
    Mazda3 2.0R - 141-hp *6500-rpm; 181-Nm *4500-rpm
    Ford Focus 1.8 Ghia - 125-hp *6000-rpm; 165-Nm *4000-rpm
    Honda Civic 1.8V/S - 140-hp *6300-rpm; 174-Nm *4300-rpm


    The R18A 1.8-liter SOHC i-VTEC closely matches the 2.0-liters of Ford/Mazda.

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    #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackraven
    So far, prices haven't changed yet which is good:

    1.8 V m/t - 789,000
    1.8 V a/t - 825,000
    1.8 S m/t - 832,000
    1.8 S a/t - 867,000
    2.0 S m/t - 962,000
    2.0 S-L a/t with paddle shifts - 1.002M
    1.3 IMA Hybrid CVT non-tiptronic - TBA

    Comparisons:
    2.0-litre
    Honda Civic 2.0S - 962k (5MT), 1,002k (5AT)
    Mazda3 2.0R - 1,009k (4AT)
    Ford Focus 2.0 Sport - 1,025k (4AT)

    1.8-litre
    Honda Civic 1.8V - 789k (5MT), 825k (5AT)
    Honda Civic 1.8S - 832k (5MT), 867k (5AT)
    Ford Focus 1.8 Ghia - 945k (4AT), 975k (4AT + side skirts)

    1.6-litre
    Ford Focus 1.6 Trend - 799k (5MT), 849k (4AT)

    Engine specs:
    Honda Civic 2.0S - 155-hp *6500-rpm; 188-Nm *5500-rpm
    Ford Focus 2.0 Sport - 145-hp *6000-rpm; 185-Nm *4000-rpm
    Mazda3 2.0R - 141-hp *6500-rpm; 181-Nm *4500-rpm
    Ford Focus 1.8 Ghia - 125-hp *6000-rpm; 165-Nm *4000-rpm
    Honda Civic 1.8V/S - 140-hp *6300-rpm; 174-Nm *4300-rpm


    The R18A 1.8-liter SOHC i-VTEC closely matches the 2.0-liters of Ford/Mazda.

    looks promising for honda. saang dealer na naglabas ng pricing?

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    #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackraven
    So far, prices haven't changed yet which is good:

    1.8 V m/t - 789,000
    1.8 V a/t - 825,000
    1.8 S m/t - 832,000
    1.8 S a/t - 867,000
    2.0 S m/t - 962,000
    2.0 S-L a/t with paddle shifts - 1.002M
    1.3 IMA Hybrid CVT non-tiptronic - TBA

    Comparisons:
    2.0-litre
    Honda Civic 2.0S - 962k (5MT), 1,002k (5AT)
    Mazda3 2.0R - 1,009k (4AT)
    Ford Focus 2.0 Sport - 1,025k (4AT)

    1.8-litre
    Honda Civic 1.8V - 789k (5MT), 825k (5AT)
    Honda Civic 1.8S - 832k (5MT), 867k (5AT)
    Ford Focus 1.8 Ghia - 945k (4AT), 975k (4AT + side skirts)

    1.6-litre
    Ford Focus 1.6 Trend - 799k (5MT), 849k (4AT)

    Engine specs:
    Honda Civic 2.0S - 155-hp *6500-rpm; 188-Nm *5500-rpm
    Ford Focus 2.0 Sport - 145-hp *6000-rpm; 185-Nm *4000-rpm
    Mazda3 2.0R - 141-hp *6500-rpm; 181-Nm *4500-rpm
    Ford Focus 1.8 Ghia - 125-hp *6000-rpm; 165-Nm *4000-rpm
    Honda Civic 1.8V/S - 140-hp *6300-rpm; 174-Nm *4300-rpm


    The R18A 1.8-liter SOHC i-VTEC closely matches the 2.0-liters of Ford/Mazda.
    If that's really the price for the Civic here come lauch time, then it is quite affordable compared to the Focus. Aside from the 1.8 engine on the base Civic, it is really hard to compare the features and equipment for both vehicles at this moment. We'll just have to wait and see for the final iteration /production unit to be launch here by next month.

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    #26
    [QUOTE=HOLLOWMAN]
    Quote Originally Posted by miLes
    bakit di na kasama mz3?

    maybe i like the civic and focus better than the mz3....(based sa mga messages)
    go for a test drive on all the units. and decide which is best for you.
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    2006 Mazda3 Facelift


    Enhanced Design, Quality, Comfort and Performance
    Also premiering at Geneva 2006 is the new facelift version of the highly acclaim*ed Mazda3 line up, which introduced exhilarating driving performance, emotional styling and high levels of craftsmanship to the global C-segment when it was launched in 2003. The Mazda3 facelift* takes these attributes to a new level and features even more exhil*arating driving fun with improved torque characteristics for all engines plus an available six-speed manual transmission. Styling enhancements raise the original Mazda3's emotionally-appealing first impression of sportiness and quality. And Mazda craftsmanship has also been improved, with an interior look and feel that users will appreciate every time they drive the car.

    Exterior Design – Two Body Styles, Two Distinct Personalities

    Adding to the emotional personality of its predecessor, the Mazda3 facelift 4-door sedan’s image of modern elegance is further enhanced. Redesigned bumpers provide a massive look and a chrome bar on the front grille expresses a high quality feel. For the 5-door hatchback, the grille's upper bar is body coloured and further refines the origi-nal’s smartly energetic Zoom-Zoom styling. In addition, 15, 16 and 17-inch aluminium alloy wheels have all been redesigned. Sports appearance package (SAP) equipment and selected options are also available to give both the 4-door and 5-door versions a more athletic look: the 4-door SAP promotes a feeling of stability, while the 5-door SAP is the sportiest model in the Mazda3 facelift line up and exudes a youthful personality.

    Interior Design

    Particular attention was paid to improving interior quality. Two interior colour schemes are planned, depending on grade and market, a grey interior colour for a feeling of high-class sporty refinement, and a sports-oriented black interior. Both interior colour packages received newly designed white cluster meters and a stylish piano black decoration panel.

    The following summarizes information on Mazda products to be exhibited at the 2006 Geneva International Motor Show. Specifications and equipment are subject to change.

    The Sports Grade (depending on market) with black interior and blackout type meters includes a decorative insert finished with a hairline treatment in the instrument panel to communicate even more high quality and sportiness.

    More Mature Driving Attributes and a More Refined Ride
    Mazda engineers began work on bolsteringMazda3's highly-regarded dynamic perfor-mance immediately after the original model launch, with the aim of improving fuel economy, ride comfort and quietness. To achieve this, engines and transmissions were upgraded to deliver a livelier, more comfort-able drive supported by ample torque. In addition to improving Mazda3 facelift’s handling stability, ease of operation and ride quality, Mazda also achieved further reductions in noise and vibration.

    The MZR 2.0-litre petrol engine produces 110kW/150 PS of maximum power at 6,500 rpm* and maximum torque of 187 Nm at 4,000 rpm*.It adopts high-accuracy electronic throttle control for the first time, along with newly introduced sequential valve timing(S-VT).Optimal adjustment of the engine's intakevalve operation in response to running conditions achieves high charging efficiency. Together with a variable induction system(VIS), this allows the engine to achieve powerful torque throughout the whole revrange. The MZR 1.6-litre petrol engine – with a maximum power output of 77 kW/105 PS at6,000 rpm* and maximum torque of 145 Nm at4,000 rpm* – retains the same S-VT and VIS as the original model, and is calibrated to further improve fuel efficiency. The base MZR 1.4-litrepetrol engine produces 62 kW/84 PS of maxi-mum power at 6,000 rpm* and 122 Nm of maximum torque at 4,000 rpm* (depending onmarket offer). This engine is given modified valve timing based on the S-VT already employed. This heightens charging efficiency at low engine speeds without sacrificing power in the higher engine speed range to give ample torque at low and middle engine speeds for powerful, easy driving.

    The MZ-CD 1.6-litre diesel engine remains in the Mazda3 facelift line up for Europe. Two versions are available with maximum power outputs of 66 kW/90 PS and 80 kW/109 PS at 4,000 rpm* and maximum torque of 215 Nm and 240 Nm at just 1,750 rpm* respectively (90 PS depending on market offer). Both deliv*er an exceptional balance of power, low fuel consumption and emissions, and low NVH. Both of these DOHC 16- valve engines feature aluminium construction for low weight,

    along with a 160 MPa ultra-high pressure common-rail injection system. The standard powered diesel employs a fixed geometry turbocharger and the higher powered diesel employs a variable geometry turbocharger and also a diesel particulate filter.

    The MZR 2.0-litre petrol engine is available with a newly-introduced six-speed manual transmission. Triple-cone synchronizers for first and second gears and double-cone synchronizers for third and fourth gears assure ample sync capacity for a light, crisp shift feel and predictable operation. Gear ratios between third and sixth gears are set close to provide better, stress-free passing acceleration at high speeds. The sixth gear functions as overdrive and contributes to improved quietness at high speed as well as better fuel economy.

    The standard five-speed manual transmission for the MZR 1.4-litre and 1.6-litre petrols has been further refined throughout, and clutch operating feel has been improved. The MZR 1.6-litre petrol engine is also available with an electronically controlled, four-speed auto*matic transmission (depending on market).

    The sound of the engine is one of the impor*tant elements affecting the vehicle’s fun-to-drive aspects, as well as good acceleration and gear shift feel. Mazda3 facelift petrol models have higher-rigidity drive shaft mountings to reduce the droning sound generated at high engine speeds and the alternator mounted on the MZR 2.0-litre petrol engine is specifically designed to reduce its operating noise. These measures result in a linear acceleration feel up to high engine speeds.

    Further Evolution of Mazda3’s Acclaimed Body and Chassis

    The Mazda3 facelift’s body shell has been upgraded by bolstering local rigidity for an even stiffer, safer body and even sportier han*dling and firm ride quality. The suspension system has been optimized to further reinforce Mazda3’s acclaimed Zoom-Zoom handling, while still achieving a refined and comfortable ride. Mazda3 facelift’s MacPherson strut front suspension has improved damper perfor*mance and has been tuned to improve steer*ing response and reduce understeer during high-speed cornering. The multi-link rear suspension ensures improved rear-end stabil*ity during high-speed cornering.

    Improved Aerodynamics

    To further enhance Mazda3 facelift's exciting dynamic performance, the aerodynamics team focused on reducing high-speed drag and improving stability. In particular, they worked to improve underfloor aerodynamics, achieving superior aerodynamic performance (for the 5-door hatchback, Cd = 0.30). In addi*tion to contributing to better fuel economy and improved high-speed acceleration, Mazda3 facelift’s upgraded aerodynamics contribute to even more exceptional handling stability, with predictable straight line driving and high-speed lane changing.

    Improved Quietness

    Further evolving the Zoom-Zoom driving enjoyment of the Mazda3 facelift included isolating road noise and reducing wind noise during high-speed driving. Measures taken include expanding the use of bonnet-under-side insulation to more models, revising tyres, bolstering rim rigidity, improving suspension vibration characteristics, and installing sound-absorbing material in the cabin roof of all models.

    New Features for Even More Comfort and Ease-of-Use

    The Mazda3 facelift employs several new features for improved comfort and ease-of-use. An advanced keyless entry and start system is introduced (depending on market and grade). Simply carrying a card-type key allows the driver to lock and unlock the doors, the boot or rear hatch, and start and stop the engine by turning the starter knob. In addition, the advanced key's lock/unlock button and outer door handle request switch enable opening or closing all windows from outside the car. In hot sunshine the car can be ventilated, or a window left open can be closed, without having to get back into the car. The Mazda3 facelift’s integrated audio system includes a 20 GB hard disk drive with capac*ity to store up to approximately 3000 tracks recorded from CDs, as well as a CD player and AM/FM tuner (depending on market offer).

    High Levels of Safety

    The Mazda3 facelift’s standard active safety package includes four-wheel disc brakes with ventilated 278 mm discs at the front and solid 265 mm discs at the rear (for the MZR 2.0-litre, 300 mm at the front and 280 mm at the rear), 4W-ABS, EBD and emergency brake assist. Dynamic stability control (DSC) is also available for stable handling. In addition, auto light and rain-sensing wiper systems help to maintain clear visibility of the road in bad weather and during night driving.

    Mazda3 facelift’s passive safety systems feature a rigid body shell that provides excep*tional collision safety. For occupant protection, front dual airbags are standard, and side and curtain airbags are available as well (depending on market and grade).

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    #27
    *Blackraven: Thanks for the pricing info. The Civic 2.0 is on my mid-year shortlist, along with the Focus 2.0. I'm leaning a bit towards the Civic because of the MT, but I'm just itching to see the driving dynamics first.

    As for the 1.8, some testers have reported that the extra power comes in really high... in other words, it's a revver, not a puller. Might be a good entry-level boyracer if they kit it right.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #28
    [QUOTE=Blackraven]So far, prices haven't changed yet which is good:

    1.8 V m/t - 789,000
    1.8 V a/t - 825,000
    1.8 S m/t - 832,000
    1.8 S a/t - 867,000
    2.0 S m/t - 962,000
    2.0 S-L a/t with paddle shifts - 1.002M
    1.3 IMA Hybrid CVT non-tiptronic - TBA

    [\QUOTE]


    talaga bang mataas ang ford sa honda? e sa resale kaya? - ladyhollow

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    #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackraven
    So far, prices haven't changed yet which is good:


    2.0-litre
    Honda Civic 2.0S - 962k (5MT), 1,002k (5AT)
    Mazda3 2.0R - 1,009k (4AT)
    Ford Focus 2.0 Sport - 1,025k (4AT)
    talaga bang mas mataas ang ford sa honda? e sa resale kaya? - ladyhollow

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    #30
    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLOWMAN
    talaga bang mas mataas ang ford sa honda? e sa resale kaya? - ladyhollow
    I believe the prices for the new Civic being posted here may or may not change once the car is officially launched next April'06. But based on the present figures, it does look like the offering by Ford Focus is quite pricey compared to the new Civic. For example, a Focus 1.6L Trend M/T costs Php 798,000 while the Civic 1.8L MT is Php 789,000 (based on the tentative price list).

    Based on present market value/price, Honda has a higher resale value over Ford.

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FORD FOCUS. MAZDA 3? KELAN BA LABAS NG BAGONG CIVIC? - Lady hollow