underpowered cars

[niky]

a larger engine will have greater torque too probably, so it allows longer gearing (which gives less revs and thus, higher fuel economy)... but if i'm not mistaken, it all boils down to revs vs. acceptable performance.

For me, it's a factor of engine power vs. acceptable weight. Namely, I don't care about the size of the engine, as long as the car isn't a huge lead weight pulling it down... examples are:

-the aforementioned BMW 316
-the "new" Nissan Sentra 1.3 (the old one was so sprightly and light, you didn't mind the lack of engine...)
-any SUV
-the Crosswind (so it's relatively fuel efficient, but it would be more so if it were lighter)

What sucks is that while any engine should have enough power to do the job (which is transport people at 60-80 kph over moderate to long distances), the bodies they are put in just sometimes are no good.

[mazdamazda]

the bodies they are put in just sometimes are no good.

or the tranny that it is mated with.

like the 307. the one with the tiptronic gearbox is just S-L-O-W. but the one with the m/t is a bit fast.

[mbt]

unless you're racing, it will most probably give better fuel economy than the bigger engines.

sure it won't be fast, but if you won't be going fast with it anyway (like say, it's a commuter car)... pwede na rin hehe

i won't want to be merging onto a highway or be chased by goons while driving one though :bwahaha:

[FrankDrebin]

Hmmm...

The Tsikot-bashed Mitsubishi 4d56 engine is underpowered yet a lot of owners attest its capability and durability.

[FrankDrebin]

For example lang yun post ko hah. :D

[revoGSX]

depende kasi sa tao kung paano nya i-define ang underpowered engine hehe...

liteace - a 1.5 (5K engine).. sobrang underpowered talaga, pero sobrang luwag sa loob and relax ang driving position nya, pero frustrated ka sa overtaking hehe, buti na lang binenta na ni erpats

revo 1.8 gas (7K-E)- sabi nila mas matipid pa daw ang Ford F-150

revo 2.0 gas (1RZ-E) - i own this one, 8km/L lang ako highway driving, hataw parati, laging floor to the metal pag overtaking, happy na ako dito dahil hindi naman ito race car.. and you can't really buy a brandnew van/auv with 3.0L gas displacement na less than 800K..

siguro, if i've been driving a SUVs like escape, rav4, xtrail and cars like altis.. underpowered talaga itong revo 2.0 gas hehe .. kaso hindi hehe..

[mbt]

frankdrebin,

lagot ka... diba 4d56 makina ni OTEP? :bwahaha:

[Ungas]

frankdrebin,

lagot ka... diba 4d56 makina ni OTEP? :bwahaha:

Mali ka jan! 4D56TDIC yun...

Actually, 3 kinds of 4D56 engines were released locally, 4D56, 4D56TD & 4D56TDIC. Each having their own kind of parts while some were shared.

[andre]

Underpowered engine vehicle are dangerous in U.S. highways, specially when your merging to the highway from standstill (ramp to the highway).

[OTEP]

4D56 TDIC only makes 99 bhp. Yes its slow as a glacier. Pero mabagal din naman ako magdrive kaya bale wala sakin yun. And when it does reach crusing speed (around 120kph on the NLEX), it can comfortably maintain that speed. I have no problems keeping up with metro traffic so long as I drive within the optimum areas of the powerband.

Siguro sanayan lang 'yan. I've been driving 'underpowered' cars since I stared driving (72bhp Pajero, 80bhp Benz, 105bhp MB100, 99bhp Pajero, 70bhp Besta, etc.).

And with the kind of traffic we have, having a small engine makes economical sense.

[fakesaint]

4D56 TDIC only makes 99 bhp. Yes its slow as a glacier. Pero mabagal din naman ako magdrive kaya bale wala sakin yun. And when it does reach crusing speed (around 120kph on the NLEX), it can comfortably maintain that speed. I have no problems keeping up with metro traffic so long as I drive within the optimum areas of the powerband.

Siguro sanayan lang 'yan. I've been driving 'underpowered' cars since I stared driving (72bhp Pajero, 80bhp Benz, 105bhp MB100, 99bhp Pajero, 70bhp Besta, etc.).

And with the kind of traffic we have, having a small engine makes economical sense.

i wonder why yung paj.95 namin that we traded with kimps trooper ay na piston ring na raw at 128k km. pa lang...e alaga naman sa change oil n p.m.s yng paj. namin...sbi nila d trooper daw can outlast d engine of d pajero threefolds & 1 of d reasons is underpowered ang pajero...any input on this sir? what went wrong kaya....

[Macky]

4D56 TDIC only makes 99 bhp. Yes its slow as a glacier. Pero mabagal din naman ako magdrive kaya bale wala sakin yun. And when it does reach crusing speed (around 120kph on the NLEX), it can comfortably maintain that speed. I have no problems keeping up with metro traffic so long as I drive within the optimum areas of the powerband.

Siguro sanayan lang 'yan. I've been driving 'underpowered' cars since I stared driving (72bhp Pajero, 80bhp Benz, 105bhp MB100, 99bhp Pajero, 70bhp Besta, etc.).

And with the kind of traffic we have, having a small engine makes economical sense.

My sentiments exactly.... I've owned 3.5L SOHC VTEC engines (2001 MDX and 1999 Odyssey), a 2.4L DOHC i-VTEC (2002 CR-V EX), a 2.2L SOHC (1996 Odyssey), a 2.5L DOHC V6 (1990 Lexus ES250), and a 1.7 VTEC (2000 Civic EX). My 1.6L APV does not seem to be underpowered compared to those mentioned above. Siguro kung sa US pa ko nakatira, UNDERPOWERED sya. You also need to figure in the location kung saan mo itatakbo ang sasakyan mo. And I've driven my APV for 5K kms para i-qualify yung observations ko. Yabang kasi yung umiiral sa iba sa atin.

[empy]

I've owned 3.5L SOHC VTEC engines (2001 MDX and 1999 Odyssey), a 2.4L DOHC i-VTEC (2002 CR-V EX), a 2.2L SOHC (1996 Odyssey), a 2.5L DOHC V6 (1990 Lexus ES250), and a 1.7 VTEC (2000 Civic EX). My 1.6L APV does not seem to be underpowered compared to those mentioned above. Siguro kung sa US pa ko nakatira, UNDERPOWERED sya. You also need to figure in the location kung saan mo itatakbo ang sasakyan mo.

agree...diyan kasi you only have to get from 20-40 to 60-80 kph when getting on the highway. in the US you have to get from 50 kph to 105 kph while merging into traffic that's going 120.

the cars around you also make a difference. if 80% of traffic are 4-bangers also, it's not too bad. but if half the cars on the road are V6 or V8's, then marami ngan maiinip sa yo

[OTEP]

OT: bago ba yung Paj nung kinuha niyo? Baka abused ng former owner (e.g. no turbo cooldown, always running flat-out, etc.).

And Isuzu does seem to make good engines but it does not mean Mitsu makes bad ones.

Though the 4d56 will still keep on running even at its worst. Our first 4d56 was a candidate for overhaul from the first day we got it. But we used it for more than 7 years and we never got around to overhauling it. Sometimes I still feel bad for selling that old Pajero.

[fakesaint]

OT: bago ba yung Paj nung kinuha niyo? Baka abused ng former owner (e.g. no turbo cooldown,

got it at almost 90k km. 4 years ago (comp. service record diamond motors or smething) ....anyway, now i remember, nung last check nya pinalitan yung fan ng intercooler turbo...maybe matagal na raw di umiikot...

[squala]

To get good economy, the engine has to be strong enough in such a way that it can be driven comfortably. The LiteAce only has around half the power of a Civic VTEC, yet is much heavier. And being of small displacement, torque is also low. As a result, the engine really works too hard, and you really have to step on the pedal to get some speed. This returns unpromising fuel numbers, and if you drive lightly, you'll be utterly slow.

[nugundam93]

allow me to bump the thread.

1.6L focus. :lol:

[altec]

with all these tricycles, jeeps, and vacant taxis around, you can't help but drive slow, frustratingly slow for those with high displacement, high bhp, high torque engines.

[badkuk]

well, if you go through all the usual sh...traffic within the metro, it doesn't really matter much kung underpowered nga or not. pero kung fully/overloaded ung 1.3L mong sedan, and you're going uphill...

[Bravoexo]

I could swear every DELICA I meet on the road seems slow...