Phil. Diesel -> not CRDi ready?

[wowiesy]

kcboy:

question, what is the percentage that the fuel injector of crdi cars will break? is it 80%? because if the percentage is quite big, then that's really a problem.

at least for me... it doesnt matter kung 80% man sya o 60%.. the more important thing is that mukhang totoo nga talaga na hindi fit yung diesel natin sa CRD engines..

it may be wise to have a wait and see attitude muna regarding toyota's plan of action here.. o kaya sa mga oil companies... i'm hopeful na with the brisk sales being enjoyed by the innova... baka ma pressure din ang oil companies to come out with cleaner diesels... although kung sakaling magkaganun... malamang eh parang lalabas na unleaded, premium na gas... parehong unleaded, pero may different class.. may cheaper class diesel.. may more expensive diesel... let the consumer choose..

[Doc Diesel]

u can double the filters but it would just delay the inevitable, screwed up injectors. disposable daw yun so once its clogged, palit na.

it is true that when it gets clogged up, palit na kaagad yan pero it still boils down to how you maintain it.

my dad's vito is still running very strong with two filters installed. never pang nasira.....

if you would like to install an additional filter, look for RACOR.

[al_motor]

al motor,
what car are you talking about so i would know? crdi ba? not all people have the knowledge n capabilities to take the extra steps you've mentioned above. my point is sir is that most crdi engines will fail and cannot take the dirty diesels that we have po. i just hope the government and the big 3 oil companies take steps in refining much cleaner diesels.

Audi A4 2.5-V6 TDi quattro...high pressure direct injection. dunno if it's CRDi pero malamang yun na nga yon.

actually, i've posted on a similar thread before nung kadarating lang nung car from Germany (pero malamang di sa thread na ito yun). nabastos pa nga ako eh...someone retorted at me, "HOW SURE ARE YOU THAT THE FUELS HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES ARE SUBSTANDARD?" tsk tsk. ayan ayan lumabas din!!! i'd love to dis that guy, but never mind. i hope he reads this post. hehehe.

[diesoline]

it is true that when it gets clogged up, palit na kaagad yan pero it still boils down to how you maintain it.

my dad's vito is still running very strong with two filters installed. never pang nasira.....

if you would like to install an additional filter, look for RACOR.

imo too, it all up to prudent filter monitoring. the only difference (i think) between local diesel and europe's diesel is the sulfur content, europe's being lower. lower sulfur content means fewer diesel particulates. hence, if local diesel has more particulates, then fuel filter changes should be more frequent than what the vehicle's regular maintenance intervals recommend.

with my car being a grey market kia sedona crdi, it was impossible to get a fuel filter in the local parts stores. buti na lang tsikoteer totoybato was very kind enough to send me one direct from korea. due to the absence of local filter availability, i find doc diesel's solution of an additional fuel filter practical. baka mapapasyal ako sa betan, kahit malayo....

doc diesel: masikip na engine bay ko. mapagkasya pa kaya ni racor ang extra filter dito? the fuel filter is between the two blue caps in the middle left side of the photo.

[totoybato]

Hi Diesoline, post mo naman dito kung okay yung pagpapalagay mo ng dalawang fuel filter, i will be shipping home my tucson crdi in a few months time and i am thinking of bringing with me several spare fuel filter units for good measure. reading topics like these gives me the creeps. Parang may nabasa yata ako a few weeks ago regarding a "euopean standard" diesel fuel being sold by a particular fuel company dyan sa atin.

[docSUVfan]

DocDiesel and Diesoline, you're right about the need for at least 2 fuel filters to prevent injector clogging. The service advisor head at Toyota Otis and the Parts Supervisor showed me (both the schematic diagram and the parts) that the IMV (Fortuner, Innova,Hi-Lux) have a secondary fuel filter that's supposed to last 350,000 km and a primary fuel filter that's inspected and cleaned every 5,000 km. There is an indicator on the dashboard if the primary filter in performing poorly thus requiring cleaning or replacement. They said these vehicles were tested with the poorest diesel fuels in the Asian countries (e.g. China, India, Indonesia, Philippines, etc.) so they were able to devise this strategy to prolong the life of the diesel fuel injectors (common rail).

[diesoline]

totoybato: ok. post ako ng pics ng install after i have it done. kaya lang baka next month ko pa siguro mapapagawa yun. the premium diesel is at unioil at south superhighway. just read it in another thread but i don't have any first hand experience with it.

back to the thread...

as to the filling up from just one service station thing, i think that it is impractical. what i do is fill up from service stations that have a high turnover of customers. para sigurado parating bago yung crudo. and syempre, it won't hurt kung mura. hehehe!

[diesoline]

DocDiesel and Diesoline, you're right about the need for at least 2 fuel filters to prevent injector clogging. The service advisor head at Toyota Otis and the Parts Supervisor showed me (both the schematic diagram and the parts) that the IMV (Fortuner, Innova,Hi-Lux) have a secondary fuel filter that's supposed to last 350,000 km and a primary fuel filter that's inspected and cleaned every 5,000 km. There is an indicator on the dashboard if the primary filter in performing poorly thus requiring cleaning or replacement. They said these vehicles were tested with the poorest diesel fuels in the Asian countries (e.g. China, India, Indonesia, Philippines, etc.) so they were able to devise this strategy to prolong the life of the diesel fuel injectors (common rail).

good to know na meron palang ganyan. confirmation yan that what doc diesel suggested will work. thanks!

[wowiesy]

DocDiesel and Diesoline, you're right about the need for at least 2 fuel filters to prevent injector clogging. The service advisor head at Toyota Otis and the Parts Supervisor showed me (both the schematic diagram and the parts) that the IMV (Fortuner, Innova,Hi-Lux) have a secondary fuel filter that's supposed to last 350,000 km and a primary fuel filter that's inspected and cleaned every 5,000 km. There is an indicator on the dashboard if the primary filter in performing poorly thus requiring cleaning or replacement. They said these vehicles were tested with the poorest diesel fuels in the Asian countries (e.g. China, India, Indonesia, Philippines, etc.) so they were able to devise this strategy to prolong the life of the diesel fuel injectors (common rail).

wow okay to... good news.. but kelangan siguro ma confirm... will try dropping in an innova dealer and ask if the sales reps are well oriented about this... hopefully makakuha ng confirmation ...

[madmaxx]

This article may answer some your question:


https://www.yehey.com/lifestyle/people.aspx?artid=3584

Good Day!

[madmaxx]

some more crdi articles

http://www.swedespeed.com/news/publi...inter_272.html

http://www.blonnet.com/2005/03/25/st...2500630900.htm

CHEERS!

[Doc Diesel]

RACOR is an industrial brand but they also carry automotive ones....

sa installation, di necessary nasa engine bay, yung madaling ma-inspect and maganda gravity para maganda daloy ng krudo....not too high, not too low.....

[KCboy]

if what tiyota said is true, then dapat walang masisira na injectors ng d4d crdi engine....ill just wait n see nalang from friends who bought the said vehicles with the crdi endgines. kung positive feedback, ill buy na the fortuner.

[wolfpack]

As per thier briefing (Toyota) they will only have the diesel systems be done by Denso diesel, the system requires a "Clean room" to service since the tolerances of the system is extremely close.

[lma1911]

Guys,
May i also add our experience with one Gas station in Metro Manila, After filling my friend starex diesel tank we started to drive may na notice sya sa front panel, sabi nya unusual since bago pa yung sasakyan we check the manual then yun pala ay warning nang sedimentor, " may halong tubig yung diesel" we go back to station to complain pero sabi ng manager di raw contaminated yung diesel nila, we decided to call na lang yung support ng car dealers they send a mechanic to change filter and pump some water nag confirm yung mechanic na may water nga. So we go back to gas station with the mechanic, sabi nung manager mag iimbistigate daw sila. Pero ok naman daw yung mga jeep na nag kakarga wala naman daw complain na naririnig.

"such a case like this consumer are helpless sa mga dealers kasi parang ang hirap ma established yung facts na nasa kanila yung problema" Sino ba reliable agency na dapat lapitan nang ganitong problem.

Sorry, But I cannot mention the name of Gas station kasi nga wala kaming ebidensya...Maliban dun sa Diesel na galing sa kanila.

[diesoline]

RACOR is an industrial brand but they also carry automotive ones....

sa installation, di necessary nasa engine bay, yung madaling ma-inspect and maganda gravity para maganda daloy ng krudo....not too high, not too low.....

RACOR, i thought staff nyo sa betan hehehe! but anyways, can betan do that for clients? and can they source a racor filter for them too?

saw something like that several years ago, but my friend was touting it as a replacement for the existing fuel filter on my patrol. para siyang may sedimentor na glass sa ilalim.

[bongliza]

I suggest you give us a hint likewise para di na maulit yung problem to other vehicles. Though, walang sapat na ebidensiya at wala pa namang result yung investigation nung gas station owner, at least ma avoid mag fill-up to this gas station (for the meantime). Say along Taft, or along .... suggestion lang po

[lma1911]

Thanks sa suggestion sir, it is along Commonwealth Ave.

[Doc Diesel]

Guys,
May i also add our experience with one Gas station in Metro Manila, After filling my friend starex diesel tank we started to drive may na notice sya sa front panel, sabi nya unusual since bago pa yung sasakyan we check the manual then yun pala ay warning nang sedimentor, " may halong tubig yung diesel" we go back to station to complain pero sabi ng manager di raw contaminated yung diesel nila, we decided to call na lang yung support ng car dealers they send a mechanic to change filter and pump some water nag confirm yung mechanic na may water nga. So we go back to gas station with the mechanic, sabi nung manager mag iimbistigate daw sila. Pero ok naman daw yung mga jeep na nag kakarga wala naman daw complain na naririnig.

"such a case like this consumer are helpless sa mga dealers kasi parang ang hirap ma established yung facts na nasa kanila yung problema" Sino ba reliable agency na dapat lapitan nang ganitong problem.

Sorry, But I cannot mention the name of Gas station kasi nga wala kaming ebidensya...Maliban dun sa Diesel na galing sa kanila.

I had a debate once with a gas station because of this, so when I came back I brought with me this funnel....http://www.mrfunnel.com/Models/index.html and true enough when we started filling, water was also accumulating inside. This almost caused a ruckus with the owner....he he he he

[Doc Diesel]

As per thier briefing (Toyota) they will only have the diesel systems be done by Denso diesel, the system requires a "Clean room" to service since the tolerances of the system is extremely close.

only by Denso Diesel lang daw...? really.......