performance Upgrade or ??

[mackkcam]

Is this upgrade would really give me a change in my performance? if yes, how much (in percentage).

Ride: Honda City 96 1.3 (all stock)
Upgrades:
Air Intake (standard Simota + K&N filter) + HTW (hi-tension wires);
do Port & Polish, then
Install headers (4-1, is the suggested, i think) + Exhaust pipe + Mufflers 1.5" inltet (i think);
install Dome Pistons;
Mild cam - CAM-5

would there be any performance, or somethin missing or something wrong,
not a turbo setup, just improve stock car performance..

[meledson]

I am guessing the gain will be less than 10 hp. But I am no expert.

[voltscastillo]

why don't you just drop in a d15b surplus so you'll have VTEC? there's really no substitute for real displacement, you know.

ang mahal ng aabutin ng mods na ni-lista mo. might as well get a bigger engine and start from there.

ano yung mild cam? cam-5? camgears? if camgears... why? on a 1.3 car the gain won't be that much. even if you find a way to put everything you listed in the engine (at considerable expense), malayo pa din sa performance ng STOCK 1.5 or 1.5 engine yan na may vtec.

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^^ +1... tama mas mura pa kabit ng d15b kesa sa upgrade mo. iba talaga younger bro ng b series! sa city pa nakalagay, halimao yan bro! no need for turbo and bla bla upgrade, stock d15b is a powerful engine.

[niky]

Maybe get 20hp out of it... I don't know the pistons you're talking about... the compression would be the telling factor.

But most important is engine management. Get a Hondata for your engine or even the Unichip. Auto_Xer says that the City's box has fightback at low rpms, but you can tune for lots more power at high rpms. Friend just finished his car... IHE (intake, header, exhaust) net him only 12-15 hp more than stock... with the Unichip, he got another 11 hp... PEAK. 15 hp more in the midrange.

But for the 1.3, spending a ton of money making a 60 whp car 90 whp is pointless. You could upgrade rather cheaply to the 1.5, which would get 85 whp already without touching the inside of the engine (up to 100+ whp with IHE and chip only).

For the cost of what you're looking at, pistons, PnP, camshafts, etcetera, you can even get Speedlab's turbo kit. 120-140 whp from a 1.3. Now that's value.

Doing the mods you have in mind are okay for a spec-racer looking for an advantage, but truthfully, even with those mods, a 1.5 jazz with a simple IHE tune-up woud still leave you for dead.

[mackkcam]

ic, so how much naman kaya aabutin ung D15B engine?? ( ito ba ung nsa Civic Vtech na 1.5??) magkanu kaya abutin yun? well, comments lng nung mekanik ng tito ko, kung konting performance lng ang habol, pero kung slight perfromance lng ang plan? IHE ba pwede na? then maintain maintain and maintain na lng??

ung I ba sa Intake is Air Intake lng? di ba may isa pang intake? sa may exhaust manifold ba yun? medyo nalilito ako eh, hehe

plan ko lng tlga is a Day2Day driving na may Edge, simple car performance lng, magkakabit kc ako ng audio sa trunk and medyo mabigat kasi, im not on Drag, pero circuit pwede pa, medyo napupurohan ko muna ung sa Suspension ko para pagliko ko sa Tight Curves, mag drift school sana ako, kaso mukha "ATA"ng kayang i-self na lng ang pag aaral? pero not tried it yet, hanap pa ako 2nd hand na gulongs...

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sir ive heard from a friend that forcedspeed does engine swap and it cost around 20k -30k daw (not sure though) ull just have to change to bigger brakes and better suspension when you get the d15b.

[Memphis Raines]

Niky - does port polishing really add that much? How often is the recommended interval for polishing?

[voltscastillo]

d15b depends on where you get it, is probably 20-25k. add another 5-7 for the install. if you can get a true surplus, that is, straight fresh off the boat from Japaner, yun ang maganda. don't get ones na pinagsawaan na ng mga enthusiast (after d15 usually enthusiasts go for b16s).

two versions daw yung d15. one has normal vtec, the other has a more aggressive camlobe profile (18 camlobes yata) for vtec. dunno which one of these is d15b, but any d15 you get should have vtec. parang nasa rocker cover daw e... one is plain aluminum, the other is black matte with VTEC or HONDA letters.

iba ang d15 sa ph15 ha. ph15 is found in 96 civic lxi. ph16 nasa civic 96 vti.

if you want a reliable DD, just leave your engine stock with some IHE upgrades. cheap, and if you gain 20hp just like boss nicky said, then it won't be half bad.

hard to drift your car as its a FWD. drift vehicles are mostly RWD.

circuit... hmm... well i suppose things can learned. try not to go head to head with other larger displacement cars lang. kahit mas magaling ka around the corners pagdating sa straights sibak ka pa din. bka i-lap ka pa kakahiya hehe

[mackkcam]

*volts,

hehe got you there pre, one time have tried one with my neighbors super saloon, 2.0 pala yun grabe, sa curves no problem, kaya ko, pero pag datin sa straight, hayz, kita ko sa side mirror ko na parating na sya, hahahahaha....

IHE na lng siguro na muna, pangit pakinggan haha, IHE, siguro pati na rin ung Port& polish muna, kung 20hp, pwede na sigurong gain yun... di naman competitive type eh, ayaw ko lng maiiwan ako sa road, lalo na pag same 1.3

mura lng pala ang mga replacement d15B engines noh? kala ko abot ng 50k++ may makkita kaya ako nun na bnew replacement? i wish... hehe

[voltscastillo]

i wouldn't change anything INSIDE the engine if i were you. stick to simple IHE lang, para panalo

pag na-kalikot na yung makina mo medyo iba na magiging takbo nyan. lalo na pag nagkamali yung nag poport and polish nagka hairline crack yung cylinder head mo... patay. you'll never see the end of the problems.

buhay ng mga honda engines yung superior oiling systems at cylinder heads nila. that's why they're so efficient. hindi ko pagalaw yun if i were you.

[ghosthunter]

Is this upgrade would really give me a change in my performance? if yes, how much (in percentage).

Ride: Honda City 96 1.3 (all stock)
Upgrades:
Air Intake (standard Simota + K&N filter) + HTW (hi-tension wires);
do Port & Polish, then
Install headers (4-1, is the suggested, i think) + Exhaust pipe + Mufflers 1.5" inltet (i think);
install Dome Pistons;
Mild cam - CAM-5

would there be any performance, or something missing or something wrong,
not a turbo setup, just improve stock car performance..

If there would be any performance gains, it would probably not be worth the cost to attain it starting from the existing 1.3L engine. An engine swap with a D15 or D16 engine would be simpler and attain more power while the engine and exhaust is still stock.

[niky]

On my part... why throw away a perfectly good engine for an older one?

One possibility... swap your 1.3 for a 1.5 City VTEC engine. automatically 20-30 hp more at the wheels, and the VTEC head breathes much better.

There's not much point in port and polishing the iDSi head. The reason the 1.3 doesn't have VTEC is that the second spark plug takes up too much space. So, in other words... your head has very restrictive breathing... even a port and polish won't help much in this case.... and for the cost of a good PnP, you could have the L15 already.

The current 1.5 in the City has lots of potential. I'd prefer this over an older D15B... just because any secondhand 1.5 Jazz/City VTEC is likely to be in better condition.

There are those of us who've tuned 1.3s just for the hell of it. It's frustrating. A 1.3 with wild cams and a full IHE job still can't match a 1.6 with nothing but a muffler.

As for performance... you don't want to drift the City. The rear end isn't nearly as planted as the Jazz, and you'd probably roll over before you could get it to step out.. You can try to stiffen it up with better anti-roll bars, and you can possibly use aftermarket suspension for the Jazz.

Niky - does port polishing really add that much? How often is the recommended interval for polishing?

No recommended interval... you do it once and you're done. And additional power depends on how good/bad the engine was originally, and the rest of your mods. You may need to change cams also, to get the full effect.

[ghosthunter]

On my part... why throw away a perfectly good engine for an older one?

One possibility... swap your 1.3 for a 1.5 City VTEC engine. automatically 20-30 hp more at the wheels, and the VTEC head breathes much better.

There's not much point in port and polishing the iDSi head. The reason the 1.3 doesn't have VTEC is that the second spark plug takes up too much space. So, in other words... your head has very restrictive breathing... even a port and polish won't help much in this case.... and for the cost of a good PnP, you could have the L15 already.

The current 1.5 in the City has lots of potential. I'd prefer this over an older D15B... just because any secondhand 1.5 Jazz/City VTEC is likely to be in better condition.

There are those of us who've tuned 1.3s just for the hell of it. It's frustrating. A 1.3 with wild cams and a full IHE job still can't match a 1.6 with nothing but a muffler.

Isn't the 1996 H.City is the one before the twin spark 1.3L iDSi engine? The D15 would suite the car pretty well.

[mackkcam]

Just to Update:

Anyone have tried Nodalos? dun ko kc ippurchase ung Headers for my Ride, 4-2-1 daw ang ratio, then issbay ko na din ung Mufflers,

Any feedbacks sa Nodalos? or have tried speedlab pero pang latest model lng na City ang meron sila

For Honda SX8 96 users:
San nyo prefer kumuha ako ng headers? and mga Sukat ng Mufflers, exhaust pipings, etc... I-H-E upgrade lng kc muna ako, san nyo prefer? thanks...

[1D4LV]

Just to Update:

Anyone have tried Nodalos? dun ko kc ippurchase ung Headers for my Ride, 4-2-1 daw ang ratio, then issbay ko na din ung Mufflers,

Any feedbacks sa Nodalos? or have tried speedlab pero pang latest model lng na City ang meron sila

For Honda SX8 96 users:
San nyo prefer kumuha ako ng headers? and mga Sukat ng Mufflers, exhaust pipings, etc... I-H-E upgrade lng kc muna ako, san nyo prefer? thanks...

ok naman nodalos. but a bit pricey, imho compared to the other muff shops.

[mackkcam]

actually di namna ung muffler ung habol ko sa kanila, ung headers, it would cost me daw, 3.5 for a black iron and 5k flat for the Aluminum ba un or alloy, di ko sure, hehe bsta ung isa pa, un na un, since di rin ako makahanap ng ibang shop na merong mabbilhan ng Headers for my Ride, (or bka meron, post contact nos.)

may paPrefer ka bang ibang shop ung tried and Test and Proven customer satisfaction garanti? paPost naman,

[niky]

Do it right the first time off... get a good set of headers mandrel bent at a shop that can do it.

Mufflerland has a mandrel bender, but I don't know if they have bends in your size.

I think you can get secondhand DC Headers for your engine, but they might be optimized for the 1.5.


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Oopsie me on the mistake. When I read the first post, I thought he meant NEW city. If it's the old 1.3... then definitely get a D15B... ...still not worth port and polishing the 1.3 head if you can get a better 1.5 engine for the same price.

[mackkcam]

my friend told me to get the D16ZC (not xure kung tama, ung engine code, bsta it sounds like that) kung magpapaengine swap ako, pero tyka pa yun eh, I-H-E upgrades muna tlga,

sayang kakatune-up ko pa lng, bagong bago air filter ko, huhuhu OEM pa naman!!

btw, do I need strutbars to be placed sa bay? how about sway and roll bars? << ito is after kong magkaIHE upgrade

[voltscastillo]

if you're not planning to do any serious drifting or slalom racing, kahit wala na strut bars.

d16zc galing sa civic EF mga yan i tink... wag na yun ang luluma na nun, hehe. if you can get it mildly used and still fresh never been worked at maybe you can give that engine a try but i wont recommend it.