Headers/Exhaust upgrade on a 1.3 engine?

[dirk0616]

Hi po!

Planning to modify my exhaust system. By the way My ride's Honda City TypeZ 1.3. So far po ang napalitan ko pa lang is yung air intake, got the simota a few weeks back, haveplans to change the filter to knn but in the future pa naman... as of now po, i'd liketo change headers, downpipe and a free flow muff (for the muff, i don't know if you'll call it a free flow muff, has a 2" diamter, had the tip change nung wala pako totally background about cars) will the I/H/E mod help me gain more torque HP kahit konti? is it worth my money? kaya nagdadalawang isip din ako baka wala naman mangyari if i do the mod... may nagsabi kasi sakin na dont waste my money for the mod instead invest for an engine swap... i need your advice mga sir...

[1D4LV]

very minimal nga yan bro.... dun din ako sa engine swap if you would really want ooomph...

[ghosthunter]

Hi po!

Planning to modify my exhaust system. By the way My ride's Honda City TypeZ 1.3. So far po ang napalitan ko pa lang is yung air intake, got the simota a few weeks back, haveplans to change the filter to knn but in the future pa naman... as of now po, i'd liketo change headers, downpipe and a free flow muff (for the muff, i don't know if you'll call it a free flow muff, has a 2" diamter, had the tip change nung wala pako totally background about cars) will the I/H/E mod help me gain more torque HP kahit konti? is it worth my money? kaya nagdadalawang isip din ako baka wala naman mangyari if i do the mod... may nagsabi kasi sakin na dont waste my money for the mod instead invest for an engine swap... i need your advice mga sir...

Doing all the I/H/E mods to your 1.3L engine won't really do much beyond make more noise, and maybe increase your fuel consumption. There might be some minor power increase but it comes along with some major increase in fuel consumption.

You would be better off if you did the engine swap you are thinking. Even a D16 swap gives you more power stock than all the N/A mods you can afford on the 1.3L engine.

[dirk0616]

..tingin ko nga rin po eh.. pero i was thinking at first na baka mali yung iniisip ko... i guess i read too much magazine and akala ko applicable sa ahat ng engine.. hehehe... ../.. i'll scrap the plan na... guess yung pang upgrade ko is palitan ko na lang yung cone ng KNN for efficient filtering....

thank you ID4LV and ghosthunter! i really appreciate your opinion guys...

[sboogie]

don't waste your money

very minimal difference

just sell it then buy a 1.6

[dirk0616]

don't waste your money

very minimal difference

just sell it then buy a 1.6

Actually i'm planning to keep the car for sentimental reasons...(ANU DAW?!) .. planning to swap the engine though gaya ng sabi nina ghosthunter at 1d4lv... canvassing pa mgkano engine swap and what engine (B16?).. any suggestions and idea how muhc it'd cost? para makapagipon na muna...

thanks dudes!

[ghosthunter]

Actually i'm planning to keep the car for sentimental reasons...(ANU DAW?!) .. planning to swap the engine though gaya ng sabi nina ghosthunter at 1d4lv... canvassing pa mgkano engine swap and what engine (B16?).. any suggestions and idea how muhc it'd cost? para makapagipon na muna...

B16 engine swap is expensive and will require proper preparation work to weld in a new engine support. If you just weld a new engine support without reinforcing the metal its attached, it will just tear out the part of the engine bay as what happened to some early 1st gen City w/ B16 swaps.

[dirk0616]

B16 engine swap is expensive and will require proper preparation work to weld in a new engine support. If you just weld a new engine support without reinforcing the metal its attached, it will just tear out the part of the engine bay as what happened to some early 1st gen City w/ B16 swaps.

Hmmm ... so would you suggest po a 1.6 engine car instead? or a different engine? ... thansk for your output guys, i really appreciate it...

[ghosthunter]

Hmmm ... so would you suggest po a 1.6 engine car instead? or a different engine? ... thansk for your output guys, i really appreciate it...

Depends on your goals. Do you just want to go fast or do you want to make an old City go fast?

You can definitely make a City with B16 work properly. Just make sure the work is done properly with the correct reinforcements done where needed. This is to avoid problems later that could have been avoided from the start.

The alternative is to get a Civic and dropping in the same B16 engine or a less powerful D16 engine. The advantage of having a Civic is all the available aftermarket parts you can find that was made for the Civic. (City doesn't have as wide a selection).

[dirk0616]

actually i want to go fast but with the city sana kasi its my first car. Kinda like to keep the car. hehehe, dami na memorable moments yan... i tried to do some searching, found out that hongly sucat paranaque does the job well. pero willhave to save more in order to do the swap. target date is april or may 2010...haha. tagal pa ... and i have to agree, mahirap nga po maghanap ng after market parts para sa city compared to civic.. thak you ghosthunter for the knowledge... you're the man!

[RC-V]

Doing all the I/H/E mods to your 1.3L engine won't really do much beyond make more noise, and maybe increase your fuel consumption.

that's my worry about my 1.3mt. do you think it could have been better if its a 1.5? btw the vehicle is a new jazz.

[ghosthunter]

that's my worry about my 1.3mt. do you think it could have been better if its a 1.5? btw the vehicle is a new jazz.

well, the Jazz 1.5L would have given you more power (120hp vs 100hp) but since the 1.5L only comes in A/T, you might not "feel" the power difference as much.

If you want much more power, you can opt for either an engine swap or a turbocharger upgrade on your 1.3L engine. Either option will definitely invalidate the factory warranty on the engine.

[flakez]

if on a budget, go for a zc or d15b na lang. malaking mura siya compared sa b16 na aabutin ka ng 100k siguro.

[dirk0616]

if on a budget, go for a zc or d15b na lang. malaking mura siya compared sa b16 na aabutin ka ng 100k siguro.

by the way how much for the d15b swap? whats the difference bet the b16 and the d15? if less expensive ang d15, di po kaya ako magkaproblem in the future? Kulit ko nuh? thanks bros!

[sboogie]

kapag may sasakyan kayo huwag nyong iisipin ang sentimental value

the longer you keep your car the more it depreciates

sell it now then get a 2nd hand 1.6

iwas problema pa

[flakez]

by the way how much for the d15b swap? whats the difference bet the b16 and the d15? if less expensive ang d15, di po kaya ako magkaproblem in the future? Kulit ko nuh? thanks bros!

hindi ko sure kung magkano eh, pero siguro more or less nasa 50k gastos mo.
basic difference d15 is sohc, tapos yung b16 naman sohc. mas mataas din power rating ng b16. pero ok naman ung d15 or zc engine, marami din gumagamit nyan though hindi siya kasing lakas ng b16 pero mas malakas ata siya sa ph16 ng vti.

[isa1023]

whats the difference bet the b16 and the d15? if less expensive ang d15, di po kaya ako magkaproblem in the future? thanks bros!

d15b (sohc) ~130hp
b16a (dohc) ~160hp to 170hp

d15b:

• mas mura, practical at minimal welds lang sa engine bay mo (since halos sakto naman yata ang 1.5 sohc sa city)
• minimal welds > less hassle, galaw > less risk of engine damping failure
• mas magaan, kaya ng stock front suspension mo > plus the city's lightweight > pwede na yan, bilis na yan
• recommended

b16a:

• mas mahal plus more welds to your bay
• more welds > more hassle, galaw > more risk
• mas bigat, di kaya ng stock front suspension, so you most likely have to upgrade them as well
• malakas na makina + your stock brakes + your aggressive driving + the unexpected = lam mo na (even the SiR's stock all disc brakes maybe underpowered for it's stock b16a engine)
• kaw bahala

I run on jdm d15b sa eg civic sedan, and medyo satisfying naman so far.

d15b man yan or b16a, kung hindi maganda ang condition ng nakuha mo, magkakaproblema ka pa rin. mas madali nga lang hanapan ng parts and d15b kasi it shares some internals with out local 16 valve honda sohc engines

[dirk0616]

d15b (sohc) ~130hp
b16a (dohc) ~160hp to 170hp


d15b:

• mas mura, practical at minimal welds lang sa engine bay mo (since halos sakto naman yata ang 1.5 sohc sa city)
• minimal welds > less hassle, galaw > less risk of engine damping failure
• mas magaan, kaya ng stock front suspension mo > plus the city's lightweight > pwede na yan, bilis na yan
• recommended

b16a:

• mas mahal plus more welds to your bay
• more welds > more hassle, galaw > more risk
• mas bigat, di kaya ng stock front suspension, so you most likely have to upgrade them as well
• malakas na makina + your stock brakes + your aggressive driving + the unexpected = lam mo na (even the SiR's stock all disc brakes maybe underpowered for it's stock b16a engine)
• kaw bahala

I run on jdm d15b sa eg civic sedan, and medyo satisfying naman so far.

d15b man yan or b16a, kung hindi maganda ang condition ng nakuha mo, magkakaproblema ka pa rin. mas madali nga lang hanapan ng parts and d15b kasi it shares some internals with out local 16 valve honda sohc engines

wow! thanks for the great info sir! taga san pedro ka lang pala... taga villa carolina tunasan lang ako... walking distance... may alam ka ba sir na shop malapit dito satin na makukuhanan at nagiinstall ng d15?

[isa1023]

wow! thanks for the great info sir! taga san pedro ka lang pala... taga villa carolina tunasan lang ako... walking distance... may alam ka ba sir na shop malapit dito satin na makukuhanan at nagiinstall ng d15?

Try mo muna magcanvass sa Evangelista and Banawe so you'd have comparisons. Sabi dito around 30 to 35k daw yung d15b, ewan ko lang kung ano yung mga kasama at hindi kasama dun..

Pero if you want na malapit na shop for engine swaps/upgrades, merong nag-iisang installer sa Pacita Avenue. Signal (Speedtool) (iisa yata ang may-ari nito).. Dito ang shop ng Speedtool club na kumakarera ng drag sa south

*Just to clarify on my previous post, b16a is a relatively powerful engine, and I mentioned it's too powerful for the city's lightweight. To think it comes stock on EF hatch and EG6 hatch na mas maliit nga naman sa City. Pero those cars are well-tuned to hold the power (brakes, suspension etc). In the case of the City (which is tuned more for less abusive driving), main risk for transplanting in a b16a would be engine damping ang other engine bay attachment problems.

Plus you have to "up" the suspension and brakes.
eh b16a block pa lang 100K plus na. Suspension at larger front brakes pa. Eh to switch to larger front brakes magupgrade ka din to larger diameter mags (13 lang kasi stock ng City eh) para kumasya.

[dirk0616]

hmmm.... laki nga naman ng matitipid sa d15 swap compared to the b16... ... For a guy like me who has limited budget? i'll definitely go with your suggestion sir... very informative and helpful mga posts mo... right now magka canvass muna kung san makakmura. ill let y'all know kapag ok na or pag on the process na...maybe posts some pic... pero baka by December pa...haha... thank you thank you talga, i really appreciate it!