Has anyone tried Hydrogen Combustion Engines?

[daimengrui]

Found the ad about UpConvert via Auto Focus show.

http://www.upconvertice.com/PH/index.html



Just curious if anyone has tried using their products.

[energie_mgt]

yes sir effective sya. kinabitan ko ng hho electorolyzer yong nissan pick-up ko,ganda ng resulta. Nawala yong usok,lumakas ang hatak ng makina,nawala yong ingay at ang pinaka magandang resulta,yong 1 liter ng diesel ko umabot ng 27 km,laki ng tipid.kung gusto mo magpakabit email mo ko.

[aejhayl17]

yes sir effective sya. kinabitan ko ng hho electorolyzer yong nissan pick-up ko,ganda ng resulta. Nawala yong usok,lumakas ang hatak ng makina,nawala yong ingay

ok na sana e, sounds appealing.

at ang pinaka magandang resulta,yong 1 liter ng diesel ko umabot ng 27 km,laki ng tipid.kung gusto mo magpakabit email mo ko.

teka muna...any proof of this? paano mu na-compute ang 1 liter diesel at 27 km?
mala-prius ah or any hybrid.

from the description above, its just a replacement/addition to the air and mixed with fuel to combust. so the amount of fuel combust every revolution is still the same or maybe decrease but not significant as 27km/L

[lazyfoot]

haven't seen hydrogen combustion engines but i saw a lot of fuel cell cars in china and super capacitor (they charge on the bus stop, only takes few seconds to fully charge their batteries) buses too. They're trying to super catch up in green power. we're lagging behind here.

Fuel cell
http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/z...0/IMG_3813.jpg

Electric bus
http://i819.photobucket.com/albums/z...0/IMG_3441.jpg

[energie_mgt]

ok na sana e, sounds appealing.




teka muna...any proof of this? paano mu na-compute ang 1 liter diesel at 27 km?
mala-prius ah or any hybrid.

from the description above, its just a replacement/addition to the air and mixed with fuel to combust. so the amount of fuel combust every revolution is still the same or maybe decrease but not significant as 27km/L

May nagtanong na tsikoter member kaya ako nag react, madali lang ma-measure kung ilan km per liter ang result. upon installation of electrolyzer,ifull tank mo,then kunin mo yong initial reading sa odometer before you travel,afterward,kunin ,mo yong difference ng odometer,tapos ifull tank mo ulit,makuha mo na result. Simply lang igan,di ba?

[aejhayl17]

May nagtanong na tsikoter member kaya ako nag react, madali lang ma-measure kung ilan km per liter ang result. upon installation of electrolyzer,ifull tank mo,then kunin mo yong initial reading sa odometer before you travel,afterward,kunin ,mo yong difference ng odometer,tapos ifull tank mo ulit,makuha mo na result. Simply lang igan,di ba?

i know the procedure, pero di kase kapaniwala-paniwala yan e. 27km on 1 liter for a nissan pick-up(frontier?) as you mentioned. no offense huh.

mala-hybrid (you know how it works right? ) kase ang konsumo mo e.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/hybridtech.shtml

any proof of these "effectiveness"?

just proof...

[daimengrui]

yes sir effective sya. kinabitan ko ng hho electorolyzer yong nissan pick-up ko,ganda ng resulta. Nawala yong usok,lumakas ang hatak ng makina,nawala yong ingay at ang pinaka magandang resulta,yong 1 liter ng diesel ko umabot ng 27 km,laki ng tipid.kung gusto mo magpakabit email mo ko.

WOW talaga. San ka kumukuha ng Hydrogen Refills mo? Hindi ba delikado?

[daimengrui]

i know the procedure, pero di kase kapaniwala-paniwala yan e. 27km on 1 liter for a nissan pick-up(frontier?) as you mentioned. no offense huh.

mala-hybrid (you know how it works right? ) kase ang konsumo mo e.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/hybridtech.shtml

any proof of these "effectiveness"?

just proof...

Actually I saw their commercial sa Auto Focus they claim to save you 26% in fuel consumption. Masubukan nga. Hybrid Hydrogen Fuel Combustion Engine ang labas mo nito parang yung sa Mazda Premacy

[aejhayl17]

Actually I saw their commercial sa Auto Focus they claim to save you 26% in fuel consumption. Masubukan nga. Hybrid Hydrogen Fuel Combustion Engine ang labas mo nito parang yung sa Mazda Premacy

im not yet against it.

i just want a proof of the 27km on a liter of diesel as what sir e_m said.

a regular nissan pickup, i assume its a frontier/Navarra, regularly/normally consumes an average of 8-12kml of diesel, i think 12kml will be the most efficient figure on a regular air-diesel combustion since it has a big 2.5L engine

so if the Hydrogen Fuel Combustion Engine claims to save 26% in FC,

12 x .26 = 3.12kml savings, added to FC

with an additional 26%(3.2kml) percent from the savings claimed

12 + 3.12 = 15.12 kml

so dapat, expect an average 15-16kml consumption with the kit. or to overkill it, close it at 20km/l. but wont even touch 26.9kml


but i doubt what sir e_m claims that he have a 27kml. its overkill. imho

[Jiggs]

would have been better if they had a bit of basic explanation of how does their system works..i.e. How does their product convert the water to HHO and what sort of lifespan of those cans...is it filled with membranes or some sort of catalyst? Also would it not have an effect on the Oxygen sensor of the car?

For a 2.0L car *29K is not bad kung totoong 26% gain ka sa fuel consumption. In my case it would take me 3years to get an ROI.. low mileage user kse ako.

[jubs00]

27km on 1 liter wow. talo pa hybrid cars nyan.. I would like to believe this pero sana post naman ng proof.

*energie_mgt if you have installed one on your rig can you post some proof kung umaabot nga ng 27km per liter?

[WispherWind]

27km on 1 liter wow. talo pa hybrid cars nyan.. I would like to believe this pero sana post naman ng proof.

*energie_mgt if you have installed one on your rig can you post some proof kung umaabot nga ng 27km per liter?

I just thought ung 27km per liter, its not so much agreeable kasi ung brother ko nag-install din siya ng ganyan, actual its not the commercial type but the homemade version, by the way the way the HHO works with the principle of electrolysis the hydrogen supposedly goes directly to the valve...kasama na sya sa sunugan blues...well. apparently 25-30% daw ang improvement the FE...to that pinaka efficient na rin niya ung 20 kpl... (my bro's tsikot is modified KIA Pride)

No offense bro sa 27 kpl its like you are running a motorcycle na kasi...peace...i double check mo na lang

also, after installation hindi pa dapat mararamdaman ang effect, it would take some time din. kasi i believe marami dapat timplahin dun like the air ratio and the like... (might be maganda na siguro ung adjustments ng sayo, ung sa kuya ko kasi kapa-kapa lang hehehe homemade eh...)

im still studying it if i'll install one in mine.

Another thing to comment other's query if hydrogen is dangerous?, hindi naman. dangerous kasi highly combust sya, pero you dont store naman ung talagang pressurized na na Hydrogen (may high capacity na storage)...BOOM kung may leak and kung may SPARK...un lang cguro...wala namang ganun...(one piece of advice have a safe location for the device na lang). Besides dapat mas maganda pa kasi it flushes out the carbon deposits, but it would take sometime as i have said kanina, that where the best FE comes in na rin.

sana its helps.

-----BE SAFE

[jubs00]

I just thought ung 27km per liter, its not so much agreeable kasi ung brother ko nag-install din siya ng ganyan, actual its not the commercial type but the homemade version, by the way the way the HHO works with the principle of electrolysis the hydrogen supposedly goes directly to the valve...kasama na sya sa sunugan blues...well. apparently 25-30% daw ang improvement the FE...to that pinaka efficient na rin niya ung 20 kpl... (my bro's tsikot is modified KIA Pride)

No offense bro sa 27 kpl its like you are running a motorcycle na kasi...peace...i double check mo na lang

also, after installation hindi pa dapat mararamdaman ang effect, it would take some time din. kasi i believe marami dapat timplahin dun like the air ratio and the like... (might be maganda na siguro ung adjustments ng sayo, ung sa kuya ko kasi kapa-kapa lang hehehe homemade eh...)

im still studying it if i'll install one in mine.

Another thing to comment other's query if hydrogen is dangerous?, hindi naman. dangerous kasi highly combust sya, pero you dont store naman ung talagang pressurized na na Hydrogen (may high capacity na storage)...BOOM kung may leak and kung may SPARK...un lang cguro...wala namang ganun...(one piece of advice have a safe location for the device na lang). Besides dapat mas maganda pa kasi it flushes out the carbon deposits, but it would take sometime as i have said kanina, that where the best FE comes in na rin.

sana its helps.

-----BE SAFE

May i ask how did your brother measured the 25%-30% FE? Kasi pag road testing lang, IMO, it is not valid. Pa iba-iba yung driving habit, traffic pattern etc..siguro like on a dyno or something na repeatable yung tests then puede.

I am not convinced with this product. Pero curious ako since if this can really produce kahit na 20km/liter lang, on a fleet of inter-island cargo haulers ang laki ng ma save nun kahit na 29k per install in the long run bawi talaga.

[daimengrui]

Hello I talked with someone who tried the device. Apparently one of my kumpadres installed one on his old Revo. There is truth to this indeed! 26 km/l Amazing!

I don't know how it does it but it works!

[aejhayl17]

figures please...

[marg]

Lumang SCAM na itong HHO generator sa US. Ten years ago na ito.

Dont buy this. Kalokohan ito.

[reym]

Before I tried running my 4k petrol engine with hydrogen + oxygen from electrolysis of water. I used the archie blue design.
The setup was a 12 volt system with 12 plates in series.

I ran the engine with hho first along with gasoline at idle. (The electrolizer must run for 30 minutes so it would produce more hho)
The engine seem to run perfectly. halos walang vibration at 600 rpm. But there was no increase in rpm noted.

On the 2nd phase. I completely drained the gasoline from the carb, removed the connection to the fuel pump.
I then started the engine. While starting I can feel that there is a increase in starting rpm but it is not enough to start the engine.

Haven't tried a parallel setup or a lower voltage setup though.
Haven't tried this on diesel engine.

There could be something wrong with my experiments though...

[energie_mgt]

Lumang SCAM na itong HHO generator sa US. Ten years ago na ito.

Dont buy this. Kalokohan ito.

Sir marg,yong SCAM na pinalabas ng multinational oil companies sa U.S. ay move nila para harangin na lumabas sa market tong hydrogen fuel,You know Why? Kasi,sayang ang billion of dollars na investment nila sa exflorations,samantalang,we can extract hydrogen energy sa simpleng electrolysis process.In due time,ilabas ko sa market tong imbensyon na to.

[energie_mgt]

WOW talaga. San ka kumukuha ng Hydrogen Refills mo? Hindi ba delikado?

Hi sir daimengrui, Ako mismo ang nagmimix ng refill,matagal ko din tong pinag aralan,trial and error nong una,hangang ma perfect yong solution.Ayaw kasi ipatronized sa congreso,malaki daw ang mawawala sa tax colections,at sa tingin ko sayang yong tongpats ng ilan,kaya kung interested ka matuto,Wait mo ko pagbalik ko from Africa.Paki iwan mo din kung san kita makontak. Sana isa ka sa naniniwala sa hho brown gas.

[jubs00]

In due time,ilabas ko sa market tong imbensyon na to.

you have just sealed my take on this topic. :rofl: