Gov’t reviving diesel engine replacement program

[rsnald]

http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index....story_id=48465

ewan lang kung totoo ito pero... am sure merong nakinabang dito.
Check out the IVECO diesel engine, Common rail system na rin yata sya. pag nagkaganon, all FEJODAP jeepneys will be running on common rail diesels?

here's the full story

Gov’t reviving diesel engine replacement program

First posted 06:50am (Mla time) Aug 29, 2005
By Blanche S. Rivera
Inquirer News Service

WITH oil prices at record levels, the government has decided to revive the multibillion-peso project to replace the diesel engines of some 200,000 jeepneys to reduce fuel consumption and ensure compliance with the Clean Air Act.

The Natural Resources Development Corp. would open anew discussions on the viability of the engine replacement program (ERP), a controversial project that was aborted early this year after former NRDC chair General Victor Corpus claimed it was anomalous.

NRDC president Angelico T. Salud said he was working out the conditions stipulated in the memorandum of agreement signed between the NRDC and AT Intergrouppe (ATI) in February so the MOA could be implemented.

Under the MOA, ATI and its Italian partner Iveco would supply new engines to the Federation of Jeepney Operators and Drivers Associations of the Philippines (Fedjodap), which claims a membership of over 200,000.

The NRDC would facilitate the transactions and would be paid with the interest on the installment payments for the engines.

"When we have a board meeting, I'll present everything and I'll ask them if they want to continue with the program. My recommendation is to go ahead with it," Salud said in an interview.

Salud said he was optimistic the ERP would proceed.

"I expect 10-15 percent savings in fuel consumption by drivers because obviously a new engine would be more fuel efficient than an old or reconditioned one," he said.

He said he would ask Environment Secretary Michael T. Defensor to convene the NRDC board next month.

Defensor, who has denied Corpus' allegation that he received P10 million for the ERP, assumed the NRDC chairmanship after Corpus resigned on April 27 in disgust over the ERP.

He has not convened the board since May.

The board -- composed of the NRDC president, secretaries of environment, transportation, trade and finance, and the chairs of the Development Bank of the Philippines and National Economic Development Authority -- last convened on Mar. 14 where the MOA was discussed.

"If you remember, what we had then was conditional approval. There are four conditions before the MOA can be executed," Salud said.

Three of the four conditions required for the execution of the MOA have been fulfilled since the MOA was signed.

These include the publication by the NRDC of an advertisement opening the ERP to other firms, the assurance by Pilipinas Engine Remanufacturing and Recondition Corp. that it would settle the issue of P1.5 million released by the NRDC for an initial engine replacement project that was shelved, and a commitment letter from Fedjodap.

"The board wanted to make sure that the major market, which are the jeepney drivers belonging to Fedjodap, remained interested," Salud said.

The only unfulfilled condition was a letter from the Trade and Investment Development Corp., also known as the Philippine Export-Import Credit Agency, saying that there was an application from ATI-Iveco to secure a $180-million loan guarantee from Tidcorp.

[mikey177]

Sana maging mas tahimik at mas malinis yung siyudad pag nagkatotoo ang plano na ito na walang anomalya.

Magkano naman kaya ang magagastos ng mga jeepney owners para sa pagpapalit ng makina?

[konde]

alin lang sa dalawa yan: press release or kung hindi man, siguradong marami na namang magiging milyonaryo!

[BoEinG_747]

Magkano naman kaya ang magagastos ng mga jeepney owners para sa pagpapalit ng makina?

..ang dating mga prices ng 4BA1 ,4BC1.C240 na diesel engine around 40K ...ewan ko lang ngayon kung tumaas or bumaba na ...engine pa lang iyan wala pa service pag install at gastos pag pa-change engine sa LTO

[orly_andico]

i read the original proposal in the papers somewhere (kasi may graft and corruption as usual).

that kewl Iveco engine will cost the jeepney driver a staggering 250,000 petot

of course part of the whole scheme is that it will be financed via some foreign bank, so the tsuper doesn't have to cough up the 250,000 in one go. i think it's five years or whatnot.

iveco is a very reputable truck manufacturing company, they are the leader in Europe, ahead of volvo. but the cost is staggering...

[oldblue]

instead na mag-promote ng clean air, magpapasok pa ng diesel lalo

[mazdamazda]

instead na mag-promote ng clean air, magpapasok pa ng diesel lalo

Huh?

Europe is leading the world in emmission control but around 50% of their vehicles (including cars) are diesel fed.

Gasoline powered engines is as deadly too. You just don't see it like the black smoke coming out of the bus next to you - but NOx is much more deadly pound for pound.

[benchph1]

this is far from coming true. the price alone of the engine will make almost all jeepney drivers back out. at least they took the initiative in cleaning our air.

pero imagine, jeepneys having crdi engines under the hood. panis tayo dito :D

[oldblue]

Huh?

Europe is leading the world in emmission control but around 50% of their vehicles (including cars) are diesel fed.

Gasoline powered engines is as deadly too. You just don't see it like the black smoke coming out of the bus next to you - but NOx is much more deadly pound for pound.

iba kasi d2 compared sa Europe, mga tao dun properly maintained ang diesel vehicles nila and they follow emission standards to the letter.

d2 nakakatipid na nga sa diesel pero naghahanap pa din ng way na lalo mas makatipid by not maintaining properly their engines, and since tapunan na din naman tayo ng suplus diesel engines, okey lang sagadin to the max.

diesel & mapang-isang pinoy driver/operator/ dont mix.

[squala]

250K is the value of a refurbished jeepney or 3 Blacktop 20-valves! :lol:

[orly_andico]

1) tama si m2, diesel engines are cleaner than gasoline engines. the output of CO and NOx of diesel engines is much lower than gasoline engines because of the more complete burn. what gives diesels a bad image is SOOT. that black smoke coming out of the tailpipe is mostly soot, e.g. carbon. it's not toxic per se, but it sure looks bad...

2) i've heard some horror stories of PASVIL drivers going to gas stations and asking for the USED ENGINE OIL that the gas station collects. apparently they mix said used engine oil with their diesel in order to save fuel. that would (probably) work because diesels can run on almost anything combustible (the MTU multifuel diesel in the Pzkw Leopard 2 tank can run on kerosene, cooking oil, etc. with no need for biodiesel conversion). but running used engine oil thru your diesel is probably spewing toxic carcinogens into the atmosphere

[Alpha_One]

1) tama si m2, diesel engines are cleaner than gasoline engines. the output of CO and NOx of diesel engines is much lower than gasoline engines because of the more complete burn. what gives diesels a bad image is SOOT. that black smoke coming out of the tailpipe is mostly soot, e.g. carbon. it's not toxic per se, but it sure looks bad...

If you're shown two glasses of water, one full of cloudy water, and another full of clear water, which one will you drink?

Of course the one with clear water in it.

But if you find out that the cloudy water is just water and sand, and the clear water is contaminated with some extremely rare toxic substance, which would you have?

[RedHorse]

hmmn....

isuzu placed ads on its engines... at full page pa ang mga iyon.

brand new isuzu engines will power the new airconditioned jeepney about 60 of them to ferry SEAGames athletes.

brand new isuzu engines with 120HP (forgot the code, nasa Manila Bulletin ang writeup) comes with tranny, gearbox, steering, suspension.. basta halos buo na except for the chasis, which isuzu was still negotiating with the bulacan-based assembler to use it for his for-export jeepney.

the monster(?) jeepneys are taller to conform with international standards , side ang opening, with the rear used only for emergency exit.

[badkuk]

hmm...i'm seeing some hitches to this otherwise noble plan:

1. if you put dirty fuel in an engine -- carbureted or CRDi or whatever -- chances are it's gonna fart out dirty smoke too. e di dapat kasabay nito ung legislation to use Euro I/II compliant diesel?

2. di ba mas sensitive ung CRDi sa dirty fuel? paano kung nasira ug injectors(coz of the dirty diesel)? the maintenance costs are gonna kill them!

3. i think only a few will be able to purchase the engines outright. i think there should be some kind of financing/installment plan for jeepney drivers


i'm as eager as the next guy to see an end to those smoke belching monstrosities on our streets, and i'd really like this plan succeed. pero tingin ko it needs a lot of commitment and support. and since most of our politicians are too busy with the impeachment(akala mo tuloy walang dengue/typhoid outbreak)....malabo ata to

[mbt]

diesels aren't necessarily "cleaner" than gas engines, and gas engines aren't clearly "cleaner" than diesels too. they just produce different types of harmful emissions. diesels produce lower hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen for example, but produce much more particulate matter, which clogs lungs and is a real health hazard.

personally, i think they should really start seriously phasing out jeepneys (and especially tricycles) in manila already and seriously planning for efficient future mass transit. what worked in the 1950's doesnt cut it in 2005 anymore.

[Alpha_One]

personally, i think they should really start seriously phasing out jeepneys (and especially tricycles) in manila already and seriously planning for efficient future mass transit. what worked in the 1950's doesnt cut it in 2005 anymore.

My thoughts exactly. But then, aside from politicians chasing the votes of drivers, we've got those purist "nationalist" fanatics who would take any jeepney phase-out proposal by the scruff of its neck in the name of "national identity" and "Filipino ingenuity".

The jeepneys were ingenious. Half a century ago, they were... when everything we had was obliterated by the war. It should have served as a temporary mass transit system before we could establish a proper one. But today, the jeepney is no longer ingenious and is only dirty, noisy, inefficient and uncomfortable.

Another problem with our mass transit system is that it's very disorganized. We have jeepneys, FXs, and buses. The way they work as mass transportation is basically the same, and in some cases two or three of them overlap routes (or ply almost exactly the same routes)! What's the use having ALL of them if they're just going to be redundant?

If we should really keep the jeepneys to preserve "national identity", how about the A/C jeepneys then? I'm sure you're familiar with them. Those big jeeps with the bus-style door, bus-style seats, bus-style A/C... they're technically small buses that look like jeepneys.

[oldblue]

we have so many 2nd hand cars displayed in almost every major highway here.

ang hindi ko maintindihan ay kumbakit pinapatay yun idea ng magka-kotse ang

bawat pamilyang pinoy and mas ine-encourage pa nila na sumakay sa jeep

para daw makatipid.

remove the subsidy on diesel, encourage people to own their own cars. if we

have less jeepneys, tricycles in the streets mas maging efficient and mas matipid

pa ang mga kalsada.

other civilizations are surviving, even developing faster than

us and they dont have those pesky PUV's on the streets.

if we glorify poverty by encouraging inefficient jeepneys na ika nga pang-masa pinoy, then that's all our future will be, stuck in the 19th century.

[mbt]

if we glorify poverty by encouraging inefficient jeepneys na ika nga pang-masa pinoy, then that's all our future will be, stuck in the 19th century.

amen.

[Hero]

teka 19th century wala pa atang jeep dito, karitela siguro marami..

[badkuk]

sana hindi mapares to sa the past agrarian reform programs, which, in essence, says: eto lupa mo, bahala ka na sa buhay mo kung pano mo itanim at isaka.