Diesel engine cars vs gas engine cars. Newbie po

**victorevolution** · February 14th, 2015 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by ninjababez

quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

minsan may mga car magazine writer or editor or feelin super knowledgele smart jerk na nag spespeculate ng mga kung ano ano, regardless of how far or near you use your vehicle as long as its properly maintained okay yan, dont worry about it th much, just dont abuse it, kaya nga may warranties yung mga vehicles. sa ibang bansa ten year pa nga warranty ng auto eh. my advice keep using it para kung may defects man maayos habang nasa warranty period pa.

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Originally Posted by ninjababez

quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

minsan may mga car magazine writer or editor or feelin super knowledgele smart jerk na nag spespeculate ng mga kung ano ano, regardless of how far or near you use your vehicle as long as its properly maintained okay yan, dont worry about it th much, just dont abuse it, kaya nga may warranties yung mga vehicles. sa ibang bansa ten year pa nga warranty ng auto eh. my advice keep using it para kung may defects man maayos habang nasa warranty period pa.

**playplugg** · February 14th, 2015 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by ninjababez

quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

Sir ninjababez,

Wala naman po minimum requirements pag dating sa KMS for the engine to operate, yung PMS schedule ang merong requirement, either in KMS or months, and the usage term, merong normal, severe, at abuse (hindi naka-indicate sa manual)

ok lang po yan kahit 4.9 KMS lang, since nagagamit nyo naman at meron kayong + 11.3kms good enough na para ma-lubricate yung mga parts maliban sa engine (transmission/diff oil/bearings/circulation ng brake fluid, clutch fluid) + yung mga electrical component, ay nagagamit din.

Low mileage user po..

**ninjababez** · February 14th, 2015 10:57 PM

thanks sa replies mga bro! worry ko lang kasi at nakalimutan ko rin i-add, may mga rare occassions na bago umuwi eh kumakain saglit sa tapsihan near our apartment. so off ang engine for 30-45 minutes tapos .3km na travel then off ulit. ang alala ko lang yun nababasa ko na masama ito sa engine.

**niky** · February 15th, 2015 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by ninjababez

thanks sa replies mga bro! worry ko lang kasi at nakalimutan ko rin i-add, may mga rare occassions na bago umuwi eh kumakain saglit sa tapsihan near our apartment. so off ang engine for 30-45 minutes tapos .3km na travel then off ulit. ang alala ko lang yun nababasa ko na masama ito sa engine.

30-45 minutes is not enough time for the engine to get ice cold. May init pa sa coolant at engine oil kung ganyan lang, and there's still a good coat of lubrication on the engine internals, as it hasn't all dripped back down into the oil pan, yet. I wouldn't worry about it. That isn't a "cold" cold start. Starting in the morning... that's a "cold start"... with the oil cold and heavy and sitting in the bottom of the sump.

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Typically short trips ARE bad for the engine... but as long as you adjust your oil change schedule to suit, it shouldn't be too much of a bother. As most local dealers force you into what Americans and Europeans would consider an "Extreme" service interval, anyway, you won't see any problems over 100,000 kilometers with a modern oil.

But going out on longer trips once a week or every other week, to clear out the engine on the highway, helps.

Originally Posted by victorevolution

minsan may mga car magazine writer or editor or feelin super knowledgele smart jerk na nag spespeculate ng mga kung ano ano, regardless of how far or near you use your vehicle as long as its properly maintained okay yan, dont worry about it th much, just dont abuse it, kaya nga may warranties yung mga vehicles. sa ibang bansa ten year pa nga warranty ng auto eh. my advice keep using it para kung may defects man maayos habang nasa warranty period pa.

The advice against short trips is not an invention of the fertile imagination of writers, but from the manufacturers, mechanics and engineers. Short trips mean more cold starts, more moisture condensation in the oil, a greater possibility of fuel dilution in the oil, EGR build-up, etcetera.

This is why, when buying secondhand, it's not always absolute mileage that counts, but where that mileage was accrued. I would rather buy a 100,000 kilometer secondhand that was used for long trips in the province than a 100,000 kilometer secondhand that's sat in Manila traffic all that time. The "promdi" car will be in much, much better condition... and it's likely that thanks to all that highway running, the engine will be better broken in, and will make more power.

If you only keep your car three to five years... no worries. But if you're a practical person and keep it for 10 years or 200,000kms or more, paying attention to oil condition and running conditions pays in the long run.

Saves you money, too.

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RE: Warranties: Other countries offer longer warranties because they have less traffic. I've posted this here before, but even in cities with the worst traffic in the US, their average speeds are two to four times as fast as the EDSA rush hour average, and many Americans drive almost purely on the highway, where you can make a car go over half-a-million kilometers with little worry.

**ninjababez** · February 15th, 2015 12:41 PM

thanks for the detailed advice bro niky. will just follow normal pms sked nalang, as 50% of the time ill be driving in edsa/c5 rush hour traffic jam. planning to keep this car for more than 5 years, mahirap na

**fireice2** · February 15th, 2015 12:55 PM

Another thing to note about PMS is that its not just about the oil change. Sure we can negotiate with the casa not change the oil yet, especially when using fully synthetics, however, there are other maintenance items that needs to be inspected/serviced.

**bloowolf** · February 15th, 2015 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by ninjababez

quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

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quick question lang mga bros!
ano ba ang minimum travel in KiloMeters para OK sa engine? 4.9 km lang kasi ang distance ng apartment to office ni gf pag sinusundo ko sya (once a week), minsan pag nainip ako pinapatay ko engine, minsan naman sakay sya agad so total of more or less 10km balikan. nabasa ko kasi na masama sa engine ang malapit masyado ang travel. most of the time naman 4.9km + 11.3 km bago ko patayin engine kasi ang travel ko sa office after ko sya ihatid. Thanks!

A way of checking if your engine has reached the optimum operating temp, lalo na if you do frequent short trips, is to check the tailpipe. If you see water droplets dripping out, malamig pa makina mo (at least that was what my Dad told me). I guess that is why frequent short trips are bad for the engine, too much moisture condensation.

**playplugg** · February 15th, 2015 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by ninjababez

thanks sa replies mga bro! worry ko lang kasi at nakalimutan ko rin i-add, may mga rare occassions na bago umuwi eh kumakain saglit sa tapsihan near our apartment. so off ang engine for 30-45 minutes tapos .3km na travel then off ulit. ang alala ko lang yun nababasa ko na masama ito sa engine.

Originally Posted by ninjababez

thanks sa replies mga bro! worry ko lang kasi at nakalimutan ko rin i-add, may mga rare occassions na bago umuwi eh kumakain saglit sa tapsihan near our apartment. so off ang engine for 30-45 minutes tapos .3km na travel then off ulit. ang alala ko lang yun nababasa ko na masama ito sa engine.

Ang masama po sa Engine Sir ninjababez,

from the cold start, then takbo agad, maraming sisirain na internal components sa engine, saka during cold start, yung oil pressure, will circulate sa piston and magiging normal na pag umabot sa normal temp range na naka-indicate sa dashboard.

kung cold start, hindi nga pinapatatakbo, pero by means of revving para uminit, masama din sa engine.

pag dating sa cold startup, let the engine idle, sa gasoline engine naman, mga less than 5mins, normal temp, pero sa diesel naman, a bit long (sa montero namin, inaabot ng 30mins para mag normal temp), with all accessories off, including yung A/C.

then once na nasa normal temp na, pwede na for normal and high speed drive

kung nagamit naman yung sasakyan, kahit naka-rest ng 30-45mins, mainit pa yan, saka yan ang period na mainit ang makina dahil wala nang circulation from cooling system ng engine (radiator/coolant)

kahit tumakbo pa yan ng 300meters, no problem at all, pero kung galing naman sa cold start, napatakbo na after warm up, rest period, at umabot ulit sa C, no choice pero i-idle ulit, at once na lumagpas na sa C range, pwede na itakbo, pero check mo rin yung exhaust, kung mainit na yung buga, wala kasing exhaust gas temp. na gauge sa mga sasakyan, pero pwede bumili ng ganitong accessory.

Kung frequent short trip ang gamit ng sasakyan, kung PMS, instead of KMS ang susundin, sa month schedule ang susundin,

Originally Posted by niky

30-45 minutes is not enough time for the engine to get ice cold. May init pa sa coolant at engine oil kung ganyan lang, and there's still a good coat of lubrication on the engine internals, as it hasn't all dripped back down into the oil pan, yet. I wouldn't worry about it. That isn't a "cold" cold start. Starting in the morning... that's a "cold start"... with the oil cold and heavy and sitting in the bottom of the sump.

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Typically short trips ARE bad for the engine... but as long as you adjust your oil change schedule to suit, it shouldn't be too much of a bother. As most local dealers force you into what Americans and Europeans would consider an "Extreme" service interval, anyway, you won't see any problems over 100,000 kilometers with a modern oil.

But going out on longer trips once a week or every other week, to clear out the engine on the highway, helps.

The advice against short trips is not an invention of the fertile imagination of writers, but from the manufacturers, mechanics and engineers. Short trips mean more cold starts, more moisture condensation in the oil, a greater possibility of fuel dilution in the oil, EGR build-up, etcetera.

This is why, when buying secondhand, it's not always absolute mileage that counts, but where that mileage was accrued. I would rather buy a 100,000 kilometer secondhand that was used for long trips in the province than a 100,000 kilometer secondhand that's sat in Manila traffic all that time. The "promdi" car will be in much, much better condition... and it's likely that thanks to all that highway running, the engine will be better broken in, and will make more power.

If you only keep your car three to five years... no worries. But if you're a practical person and keep it for 10 years or 200,000kms or more, paying attention to oil condition and running conditions pays in the long run.

Saves you money, too.

-

RE: Warranties: Other countries offer longer warranties because they have less traffic. I've posted this here before, but even in cities with the worst traffic in the US, their average speeds are two to four times as fast as the EDSA rush hour average, and many Americans drive almost purely on the highway, where you can make a car go over half-a-million kilometers with little worry.

Agree for that Sir niky,

Depende sa usage ng sasakyan, kung normal, severe, at extreme & abuse.

Normal, pwede i-stretch out up to 10,000KMS for PMS
kung severe lalo kung highway driving at umaabot ng 120KPH ang takbo, 5000KMS PMS
pero kung extreme at abuse usage, like low speed, extreme idling, purely city driving at yung ibang sasakyan lalo na yung mga PUV's halos wala nang rest period ang makina, one month mandatory change oil, or the exact month schedule, kung extreme.

Originally Posted by fireice2

Another thing to note about PMS is that its not just about the oil change. Sure we can negotiate with the casa not change the oil yet, especially when using fully synthetics, however, there are other maintenance items that needs to be inspected/serviced.

Sir fireice2,

Agree for that, hindi lang po makina ang primary checklist for maintenance, andyan din ang ibang parts/component na critical at very important na dapat i-maintain for regular PMS.

Originally Posted by bloowolf

A way of checking if your engine has reached the optimum operating temp, lalo na if you do frequent short trips, is to check the tailpipe. If you see water droplets dripping out, malamig pa makina mo (at least that was what my Dad told me). I guess that is why frequent short trips are bad for the engine, too much moisture condensation.

In addition po Sir bloowolf,

Maliban sa temp gauge indicated, kung merong certain accessory for exhaust gas temp. malaking tulong din, kung wala naman, checking the exhaust kung mainit na yung buga, about naman sa water from exhaust, very normal talaga, yung moisture, lalo pag malamig ang panahon, ang ginagawa ko lang, once nasa normal temp na, revved ko po ang makina para ma-alis yung water moisture, or drive it normally. yan din kasi ang isa sa dahilan ng exhaust manifold corrosion

**ninjababez** · February 15th, 2015 06:50 PM

napansin ko at ng ibang swift users na nasa gitna lagi ang temp. baka yun yung optimal temp nya, ganun ba yun? (never naman sya tumaas kahit sa long driver * 80-160kph na takbo, or 3 hour traffic jam)

**playplugg** · February 15th, 2015 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by ninjababez

napansin ko at ng ibang swift users na nasa gitna lagi ang temp. baka yun yung optimal temp nya, ganun ba yun? (never naman sya tumaas kahit sa long driver * 80-160kph na takbo, or 3 hour traffic jam)

normal temp range pag nasa gitna. as long as po na maayos ang cooling system, kahit traffic or highspeed driving, hindi po aangat ng above normal temp, not unless kung may problem.

so during warm up, from cold start, safe talaga pag pinaabot sa middle yung temp gauge. stable na kasi ang engine once nasa normal temp na, kahit patakbuhan agad ng high speed, no problem at all.

(yung subdivision namin, ilang meters lang, nasa highway agad yung kalsada so ang ginagawa ko lagi, cold start-up, idle for few minutes, once nasa normal temp na, andar a/c, then drive a few meters sa labasan ng gate, once nasa highway na, speed up to 70-80KPH, since then, walang naging major issue yung sasakyan namin for 10yrs, and yung new car namin na almost 1yr na at nasa 910KMS pa lang ang takbo at hindi pa nakaka PMS for 1000KMS, wala issues or problem at all)