D4D choking is back , yes as I experienced it!!!!

[fireblade]

Got an Innova last Jan 2008 and I was happy until June 4, 2008. Was cruising at about 20-30kph when it just stalled and I lost everything (power steering, acceleration) and the engine just went dead. Switched on to hazzard and prayed that no one was behind me. Started the engine again and it worked. Called Toyota today and I was told that since May 2008, they have received at least 8 complaints from D4D owners released this 2008 of stalling. Very disappointed but the manager explained to me the sudden increase in the occurence when they thought that they already solved the problem since last year. Their suspicion is that some petrol dealers have resorted to adultering with the mix i.e. putting kerosene to maximize profit. This started happening when prices of petrol went up almost every week (true or false i do not know).Again, this is a theory and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and my cooperation. I have only gassed up with 1 station and that is Petron Donal Soledad here in Better Living since I purchased the unit. I have all the receipts to support this claim and they will now replace the supply pump tomorrow and get a sample of the diesel loaded. According to him, even if you flush the current load of diesel, it will not help as it has already contaminated the supply pump. They will then gather the data and try to take it up with the petrol companies provided that they have enough data and support.

Imagine if I was running at high speed and this happened? I am giving them the benefit of the doubt now but I hope that they may be right. Also, he advised me that it is also happening to some Ford and Kia units at this time (can anyone relate to this?).

I will keep you posted and I hope that I may still regain my confidence in this unit. My ride, a 2008 model G with 5100km reading A/T .

[boybi]

If the mixing of kerosene with diesel is true, how can we know beforehand?

Is kerosene cheaper than diesel?

[Memphis Raines]

Very sorry about your predicament fortunately no one was hurt during the sudden stall.

If that is Toyota's theory then this could escalate into a full blown debate between them. Don't expect the petrol players to take this sitting down-they don't like being branded as cheaters.

But if they can prove Toyota wrong then I guess the ghost is back again.


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[1997]

ouch... As debated before... If it is due to Bad fuel baket D4D lang... or maybe may mga ibang Brand like Kia or Hyundia that had the same problem? Bad Toyota Blame it on the Fuel... Kung Bad Fuel baket hindi affected yung Revo? Alam ko na Sagot nila kasi nga D4D yung Innova...

BTW one of my co worker here had no problem with His D4D innova... That's why we Get the VVTi model... hehehe...

[mqavila]

Wow, can't believe that this problem that Toyota has with its D4D technology is back... makes me glad I decided on the Carens rather than the Innova... (no offense to D4D Innova owners)...

[niky]

Actually, Toyota may have a point.

We've had a period of time where no D4D problems were reported, or were not as prevalent. I've talked to some people (non-Toyota, mind) who theorized that it was the lack of lubricity in new Euro II-spec low sulfur fuels that was causing Toyota problems with their fuel pumps.

Yes, it hasn't quite seemed to affect other CRDis so dramatically... even testers I've gotten that seem to have been fed terribly dirty diesel have still started on one click and have still run, despite a slight loss of power... but it's probably bad for any diesel engine.

There are additivies in new diesel that return lubricity... but if a gas station is diluting the diesel with Kerosene, Kerosene has terrible lubricity, and it'll destroy the fuel pumps in short order.

This still doesn't answer why Toyota uses such a sensitive, fragile design... but in this case, it really could be the gas station's fault.

[tidus1203]

Mukang hit or miss talaga, better get the VVTi version na lang. Sure unleaded is more expensive than diesel but VVTi is cheaper (the car) and maintenance (PMS) is also cheaper... Depending on your mileage, it might take you 6-7 years to recover the difference and by that time sawa ka na sa kotse mo... Anyway, in the future I also expect the price differential of diesel and unleaded to narrow down from the current P6-P7 difference...

[CVT]

Oh wow, if there indeed are a number of issues that Toyota has shared with you, then indeed that's bad news.... Let's all be wary as we could be caught at high speed....

6110:pepsi:

[CVT]

Oh wow, site is very slow, and has a tendency for double post.....

Not sure about my Sis's Innova's vintage (either late 2007 or early 2008), but so far they have not experienced any issue on their D4D....

6110:pepsi:

[meateater]

Sana makakuha tayo ng list of gas stations which house the so called diesel na may kerosene. Might wanna play safe and stay away from those stations.

If its really the gas stations fault, at least less people will suffer the same problem.

I just hope toyota is not passing the blame.

[jcastillo932]

I'm not convinced with Toyota's explanation blaming the grade of diesel fuel here in our country. Why CRDI of other car brands don't have this problem? Toyota must review the design of D4d and admit it to the public if there's really fault in design. I think Toyota can afford to recall all innova d4d models.

[yapoy86]

sa kia forums wala pa naman ako nabasa regarding choking ng CRdi... marami na kia carens crdi owners pero wala pa naman nag rereklamo..

baka talagang palpak lang ang D4D ng toyota since they use denso unlike kia and hyundai used bosch crdi system (which is also the pioneer in the technology of commonrail) german technology..meron lang ako nabasa sa diesel injection forum may starex crdi na nagkaproblem sa injectors

[Dieseldude]

I'm not convinced with Toyota's explanation blaming the grade of diesel fuel here in our country. Why CRDI of other car brands don't have this problem? Toyota must review the design of D4d and admit it to the public if there's really fault in design. I think Toyota can afford to recall all innova d4d models.

This may be true as this doesn't happen to Hyndai CRDIs.

[c_cube]

we also refuel our 2 korean crdis in the gas station posted by the TS but we are not experiencing any problems with it. so i dont buy the reason of toyota about the quality of diesel we have right now. but if it is really the quality of diesel, i think D4D engine is very sensitive or what the other poster said "very fragile"

[alwayz_yummy]

If the mixing of kerosene with diesel is true, how can we know beforehand?

Is kerosene cheaper than diesel?

diesel now is cheaper than kerosene... kaya pag may mga engine or tranny parts ako for cleaning i rather buy a liter of diesel than kerosene...

kalokohan kung kerosene ang hahalo sa diesel, tubig maniniwala pa ako..


anu ba yan.. hope other d4d units are not affected na...

[fast lane]

If the mixing of kerosene with diesel is true, how can we know beforehand?

Is kerosene cheaper than diesel?

IMO the mixing of kerosene can't be good to earn them more profit since kerosene price is higher than diesel by 3 pesos, they might as well put water in the stations tank its cheaper

baka dun sa mga pumps ng discounted PUJ/PUB pwede pa nila gawin un

[fast lane]

* AY

pareho pala tayo ng nasa isip sir

[yapoy86]

hmmm toyota should really solve this issue.... hindi natin pwede sabihin na toyota eh magaling lang sa gas engines.. remember that they have the diesel engine before yung Toyota-L or Silent-L yun ginamit sa oldest version ng HIACE since eto yung engine na naka timing belt na kaya tahimik compared sa mga kasabayan nya na isuzu diesel engines na C-190 and C240 that use gear for timing (we used that engine for our assembled AUV and the engine is nice and powerful)..

considering pa na A/T yung gamit ng TS eh hindi dapat sya lalo namamatayan kasi A/T nga and lesser ang stress sa engine due to torque converters

dapat ma expose sa media yang toyota due to their faulty engines.. dapat mag recall na sila ng units...

OT: last week may nakita ako Brandnew Toyota HiAce super grandia nasa gitna tumirik...dala ko yung suzuki multicab ko.. naisip ko tuloy ang hirap naman ng ganun brandnew car tapos titirik..

[av8or5]

question lang..mga Innova's in other countries, do they also have d4d problems or is it isolated sa Philippines?

IMO, if other countries are also experiencing this, it could be a manufacturer defect. But, if its isolated in the Philippines, then one cause could be our poor grade diesel. Even if the unit is EuroII compliant, but the diesel quality isn't, it would still be useless.

[Bogeyman]

Makes me thankful that I stuck to the hardy 4D56.

D-4D --> Drive-4Disaster?