CRDi Comparisons

[Mschumacher]

Which got a better CRDi engines? The japanese or the koreans?

[washburn]

hmm mahabang habang kwentuhan to

[Dieseldude]

Within 2 to 3 years pa siguro natin malalaman yan.

[kinyo]

Koreans? I believe they are using CRDI engines made in Europe, by an Italian company called VM Motori, with injector components and control modules from Bosch, a German company.

[imperialv]

The korean CRdi engine is really good. My carnival's engine is comparable to my previous serena engine (SR20) in terms of speed and has a good accelaration.

btw, can somebody explain what's the difference with crdi's generation?

2nd gen daw yun sa kia.. and euro 3..

[AG4]

Koreans? I believe they are using CRDI engines made in Europe, by an Italian company called VM Motori, with injector components and control modules from Bosch, a German company.

List of vehicles with VM Motori designed/developed diesel engines.
http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/01/index.jsp

[silicon]

cguro koreans... wondering why japan's no. 2 car manufacturer, Honda, has no crdi models....

[4JGtootsie]

Its more acceptable to use CRS (Common Rail Systems) when addressing the type of fuel delivery. Most modern diesel engines are direct injection already. Like mentioned, the major players in CRS technology are Bosch, Siemens, Denso and Delphi.

Most of the time fuel systems are not made by the engine manufacturer.

Overview of common rail systems
CR gen Max.pressure Injector High-pressure pump
1st p.c 1,350...1,450 bar Solenoid-valve CP1
1st c.v 1,400 bar Solenoid-valve CP2
2nd p.c,c.v 1,600 bar Solenoid-valve CP3, CP1H
3rd p.c 1,600 (future 1.800) Piezo-inline CP3,CP1H
3rd c.v 1,800 bar Solenoid-valve CP3.3NH


CP1 pressure control on high-pressure side by pressure control valve
CP2 suction-side fuel delivery control by metering unit
CP3, CP1H suction-side fuel delivery control by metering unit
CP3, CP1H suction-side fuel delivery control by metering unit
CP3.3NH Metering unit

[Syuryuken]

Korean, yung unang sabak ng Isuzu at Toyota sa CRDI sumemplang sila, ang Hyundai wala pang reklamo sa CRDI engine nila.

Within 2 to 3 years pa siguro natin malalaman yan.

Anong year ba lumabas yung CRDI Starex? 2005 o 2006?

[putalittlemore]

2005 ...

for me its the koreans ...

[niky]

I guess it would depend.

Honda doesn't make its own diesels... yet... it buys them from elsewhere. Toyota has some good D4Ds in Europe that it can't bring here because of fuel quality. Hyundai CRDis are nice and smooth, for the most part, if you take care of them...but apparently nobody is immune to poor diesel quality. I've seen BMWs smoke, I've seen Hyundais smoke, I've seen Toyotas (lots more though) smoke. Isuzu? Seems like no issues yet, but I've been hearing rumors of a recall regarding nozzle gaskets. But as this is eerily similar to the o-ring issue of the Trooper, it has a 50% chance of being hearsay based on Trooper horror stories and a 50% chance being true (as in Isuzu hasn't learned anything about gaskets in the intervening years...). Am still looking it up.

The most impressive diesel I've driven recently is the Focus TDCi... and that isn't even a Ford engine... it's derived from Peugeot. And BMW and Audi are famous for creating high-powered diesels (BMW's 2 liter diesel can be boosted to 200 bhp by simple chip tuning)... so I'd say... the Europeans win.

[Syuryuken]

Which got a better CRDi engines? The japanese or the koreans?

the Europeans win.

hindi talaga patatalo si niky

[pup2]

I guess it would depend.

Honda doesn't make its own diesels... yet... it buys them from elsewhere. Toyota has some good D4Ds in Europe that it can't bring here because of fuel quality. Hyundai CRDis are nice and smooth, for the most part, if you take care of them...but apparently nobody is immune to poor diesel quality. I've seen BMWs smoke, I've seen Hyundais smoke, I've seen Toyotas (lots more though) smoke. Isuzu? Seems like no issues yet, but I've been hearing rumors of a recall regarding nozzle gaskets. But as this is eerily similar to the o-ring issue of the Trooper, it has a 50% chance of being hearsay based on Trooper horror stories and a 50% chance being true (as in Isuzu hasn't learned anything about gaskets in the intervening years...). Am still looking it up.

The most impressive diesel I've driven recently is the Focus TDCi... and that isn't even a Ford engine... it's derived from Peugeot. And BMW and Audi are famous for creating high-powered diesels (BMW's 2 liter diesel can be boosted to 200 bhp by simple chip tuning)... so I'd say... the Europeans win.

Kasali yata diyan yung admittedly older MB-Tech Ssangyong Stavic ko! Pero I agree with you again, darnit. hahaha!


Pero mabuti may nag submit sa akin ng pic on how to improve my Stavic's looks though, the sidemirror snatchers are giving me disgusted looks ...

[AG4]

BMW's 2 liter diesel can be boosted to 200 bhp by simple chip tuning

That reminds me the new BMW 123d uses a 204PS 2.0 liter Variable Twin Turbo common rail diesel engine that produces 400Nm of torque.

In the RP, the top 1-series is the 2008 120d Sport with a 177PS 2.0 liter common rail diesel engine that produces 350Nm of torque.

[niky]

Very good engine, that one. Kevin Limjoco did a 5-second burnout (damn fool turned the traction control off) at Macapagal yesterday in a 120d

Doesn't feel as epically quick as the Focus TDCi, simply because the powerband is more linear and it's an automatic, but it's still a damn quick car. In fact, it was much quicker down the road than the 325i Coupe we had at the same time, despite not sounding anywhere near as good.

Handles terrific, too, and has brakes like nobody's business. I can't wait to get a tester and see what it can do against the Focus TDCi on a twisty road. I'm pretty sure my dad will lend his TDCi for that test...

[dvldoc]

I would say in your market the Koreans got it right on the Newer Starex, With its 2.5DOHC 16 valve commonrail direct injection with variable geometry turbo 174 horsepower and 402 nm of torque make it the one of the strongest in a passenger vehicle there that I know of. Even the Fortuner falls short with the 3.0 1KD-FTV Diesel models which have 163HP and 363 nm of torque and has a larger displacement.

Why a 3.0 is making less power then a 2.5 liter engine?

[simpsonseclaire]

cguro koreans... wondering why japan's no. 2 car manufacturer, Honda, has no crdi models....

Hindi specialty ng Honda ang diesel sir, kaya wala sila nun.

However, mukhang mas maganda ang Common Rail ng Koreans. Hyundai's Starex, Sta Fe, Vera Cruz, Accent, Elentra, Getz, Tucson, Kia's Sorento, Sportage, Carens, Carnival, etc.
These engine on these cars are very very powerful and fuel economy is very good!


Pagdating sa Japanese, Toyota's Fortuner, Hilux, Grandia medyo di maganda. Lakas parin kumain ng diesel, maingay parin engine, di ganon kalakas engine para sa body nila.

Isuzu's Trooper medyo di pa masyado succesful BUT the Alterra and Dmax's engines are way way better than the trooper's.

[ringostarr]

so how did the european CRDi's fare here ba. I have seen a tuareg with TDCi sa likod and some BMWs. if they can survive here, then ok din ang europeans.

[numbah5]

I would say in your market the Koreans got it right on the Newer Starex, With its 2.5DOHC 16 valve commonrail direct injection with variable geometry turbo 174 horsepower and 402 nm of torque make it the one of the strongest in a passenger vehicle there that I know of. Even the Fortuner falls short with the 3.0 1KD-FTV Diesel models which have 163HP and 363 nm of torque and has a larger displacement.

Why a 3.0 is making less power then a 2.5 liter engine?

i'd say because in thailand, they detuned the 1KD-FTV and the 2KD-FTV.. the 1KD-FTV in Europe and Australia (installed in the Prado and Hilux) has 173 hp and 410 Nm of torque as compared to the 163 hp and 343 Nm of torque here in ASEAN and Latin America.. the 2KD-FTV in Europe (engine of the Hilux and Hiace) has 120 hp and 325 Nm of torque, compared with the ASEAN and Latin America's very low 102 hp and 260 Nm of torque.

[DragonHeart]

i'd say because in thailand, they detuned the 1KD-FTV and the 2KD-FTV.. the 1KD-FTV in Europe and Australia (installed in the Prado and Hilux) has 173 hp and 410 Nm of torque as compared to the 163 hp and 343 Nm of torque here in ASEAN and Latin America.. the 2KD-FTV in Europe (engine of the Hilux and Hiace) has 120 hp and 325 Nm of torque, compared with the ASEAN and Latin America's very low 102 hp and 260 Nm of torque.

the europeans have great diesel engines, at the same time they have very good diesel fuel, that is why in europe diesel is more expensive than gasoline because they have very strict standards for their diesel fuel...

our diesel fuel here is not very clean and not up the same standard as in europe so eventually it will have an effect on european diesel engines here. I hope that with more and more diesel vehicles being sold the big three would come up with a higher standard diesel fuel up to par with european standards. it may be more expensive but then diesel engines are more fuel efficient so it will compensate for that...