Change Engine Toyota Corolla

[Chellay]

help po, pag about sa engine na eh medyo basic na yun knowledge ko dyan. Sa maintenance lang po ako ehehe, alam mo naman ang girl, tanong tanong lang ako sa mga frends guyz ska sinasakyan ko narin ang hilig nyo'ng mga guyz "cars".

Anwae ang question po eh, hindi ko po alam kung mag papalit ako ng engine or papaayos ko na lang (overhaul thing). kung papaayos ko eh! Parts to buy: intake/exhaust valves, valve guides, valve seals, valve seats, overhauling kit, pistons, piston rings, main bearings, crankshaft bearings, oil seals, etc. an approxiamate of 20T depende sa pa sa brand plus labor, more or less nsa 25T-30T. ang advantage dto eh alam mong brand new yun mga parts na ilalagay mo sa engine, unlike kung bibili ako ng surplus na engine eh wala rin akong ka siguraduhan ang sabi nyo nga dto eh chambahan lang,

[Chellay]

d gud thing sa change engine eh, from 1.3 pede ko na kunin yun 1.6 or kahit 2.0, na feel kong engine eh yun silvertop, kesa sa hihorse (mas mabilis ito) pero m mores a mukang bago yun engine/malinis, yun hihorse daw eh 89 pa yun, pro bsta mas bet ko yun silver top, m not into mabilis naman, yun tama lang alam mo naman sa pinas, & hindi naman ako kakarera, andun parin ako sa itatagal ng engine & hindi malakas kumain ng gas.

So ano yun mga dapat kong i consider sa change engine? yun mga naka pag palit na ng engine dto share nyo naman yun na experience nyo.??

Sa evangelista ako tumingin, silvertop yun price nya 25/26T plus kabit 15T i ma-minus pa yun stock engine, pumunta ako sa autosolution mukang maganda ang service, & dami nag papaayos sa kanila lahat palit makina, pero mahal 70T lahat lahat na yun NO HEADACHES, magaling mag tuning, & nsa circuit racing cla plus yun gamit nila eh toyota corolla, palit lahat brakes, transmission, gastank, half cut kumbaga, unlike kaw yun bibili makamura ka nga pero hindi ko pala alam yun mga ibang parts pang bibilin, parang masyadong risky & magastos advantage nga lang eh matutu ka, parang from scratch kaw yun mag assemble

http://www.pbase.com/chellay/inbox pic ng auto plus yun pic ng engine, hindi po yun ang stock engine, cgurado naman alam nyo yun

[wildthing]

miss chellay,

mukhang "nalilito ka" (joke lang)... kasi gusto mo ng big engine (1.6 or 2.0) pero gusto mo matipid sa gas at hindi mo rin naman ikakarera....

Honestly, you have to decide your goal muna:

1) Overhauling really rely on the parts that you bought and the mechanic doing the job. Either way malaki rin ang risk mo.

2) Engine transplant with the same model would be your simplest option but would still carry the same risk as option 1...kasi hindi mo rin naman alam ang "health status" ng replacement engine.

If you can have a trust worthy mechanic na magaling, I'd suggest you go for option 1. One other advantage is you keep everything stock and if done right, it would be just like brandnew. Cost of 1 or 2 would really just be almost the same, mas matagal lang gawin ang number 1.

If you can't find a good mechanic to do it, why not enrol a saturday class sa meralco foundation and learn being the car mechanic, you can even use your engine as your project material so you can overhaul it for "free" and spend only on the parts....plus you learn a lot about your car pa.

last opinion ko, forget about the upgrade that would cost you an arm and leg....lalo na kung hindi mo naman planong maging or maghobby ng karerista....besides hindi tatagal ang sasakyan the way you want it kung ikakarera mo.

If you want a race car...build or buy one made for that purpose...

If you want a daily driver ride...you got one na, just fix it well...

If you want both functions...sell your ride and buy a ready made sports car.

BTW, from an experience of a friend who had to do an engine overhaul, he was more than happy with the overhaul!

However, he also found out that there were other problems with his car (cracked transmission housing) so medyo napadagdag gastos siya....

Siguro magbudget ka ng double your estimate para hindi ka mabitin.

Bakit nga pala kailangan kang magoverhaul? What happened to your engine?

[Chellay]

oo nga medyo magulo nga. tnx po, yun problem po ng engine eh malakas ng kumain ng oil wala nman leak, b4 meron leak pro napalitan ko na yun oil seal nya. jan nag pa change oil ako, march palang eh nsa 1/8 na agad (tip ng stick), wala nman tagas sa ilalim, pna chek ko, yun nga sabi overhaul na po yun spark plug ko eh basa na yun 1&2 yun 3&4 medyo palang i pa pa machine shop na daw yun valve, & yun mga piston nga po.. ano ba yun blow-by? ska pag ni rev medyo blak na yun usok sa muf..

bali ang pnaka question ko eh ano ba maganda overhaul or change engine?

[pepengtom]

blow-by - pag ni rev mo itim na usok ang lalabas

[wildthing]

kung mapagkatiwalaan mo ang mechanic at kung magaling talaga ito, go for an overhaul.

Blow-by, busted engine. your symptoms seems may problem ang pistons mo...but normally a compression test of the pistons would give you a better opinion kung busted na nga. Hindi nga lang lahat ng shop meron nitong tester na ito.

Hindi lahat ng basa ang spark plug means that it is busted. A wrong timing, busted spark plugs, problematic high tension wire as well as problematic ingnition coil would also produce that same symptoms.

If your mechanic did the assessment without any quantifiable test, maybe a 2nd opinion from a different mechanic is in order.

[Chellay]

ganun pala yun =).. hmm eh yun nga po eh, malakas ng kumain ng langis last year pa sinabi sa akin na kailangan ng ipa machine shop yun valve ko, last year nung nag pa change oil ako. eh masunrin ako hindi ko pna machine shop.

spark plug ko bosh b4 split fire nung nag palit ako ng split fire na hi tesion wire (sabay). headers din pna palitan ko 4n1 4n2 (ehehe sorry hindi ko na masyadong alam) ska muffler, actually pati air filter (bilog na color red) sorry hindi ko na alam, kse yan yun mga ni modify ng husband ko sa engine, ako kse mga accesories lang po

so wat u do yah think guys? ipa repair ko na lang instead change? yun husband ko kse mas prefer nya yun palit makina.

[odell]

change...

[wildthing]

if valve lang ang possible problem mo sa compression, that would just be a top overhaul and that would be just around 4-7K all in. Unfortunately, pag nabuksan yan at ang mga bore ay may galos na malalim/pangit baka tuloy total overhaul na yun.

I'd vote for an overhaul...provided your mechanic is good.

[badkuk]

any recommended shops that can do compression tests? i'm more or less in the same boat as ms. chellay

[effone]

if i were in ms chellay shoes, (i guess mababahuan din kayo, hehehehe! joke) id would rather sell the car and buy the same model. Add a little to find a perfect match for you preference.

wala ka pang problema kung saan magaling na mechanic mo dadalin and much worst, ba ka lokohin ka pa.

just a piece of advice and hope to help you...

[vinj]

We overhauled our 1.3L Corolla in Marikina before and it cost us around 15K to change the timing belt/tensioner bearings, gaskets, piston rings, plus some suspension parts. All parts were OEM (bought it at MR2 in Banawe) and also included labor and machine shop costs. Whats important is that you have agood mechanic and you shop around for the needed parts.

If you get a surplus engine, its recommended that you recondition it as well (change timing belts, gaskets, etc) and the cost will just go up higher. Since your stock engine is a carb, you;'ll also have to do wiring work for the ECU and change your fuel pump as well.

[Chellay]

jst to make things clear, undecided ako talaga to change/ to rerpair na lang.

ano yun mga dapat kong i consider para ipa overhaul ko lang cya, as i said Parts to buy: intake/exhaust valves, valve guides, valve seals, valve seats, overhauling kit, pistons, piston rings, main bearings, crankshaft bearings, oil seals, etc. an

PAG BLOW BY b eh yun na yun palit makina or pede rin gawin option yun overhaul?

[pajerokid]

An overhaul is the usual cure for engines with blown piston rings. The parts that you mentioned are the usual suspects when it comes to overhauling....

I suggest that you go for the overhaul.

[ebbfolls]

Originally posted by Chellay
jst to make things clear, undecided ako talaga to change/ to rerpair na lang.

ano yun mga dapat kong i consider para ipa overhaul ko lang cya, as i said Parts to buy: intake/exhaust valves, valve guides, valve seals, valve seats, overhauling kit, pistons, piston rings, main bearings, crankshaft bearings, oil seals, etc. an

PAG BLOW BY b eh yun na yun palit makina or pede rin gawin option yun overhaul?

Depende lang yan sa kursunada mo. Kung ok lang sa'yo yung 1.3 12-valve na original, mas makakatipid ka nga kung pa-overhaul lang. Pero kung importante sa yo yung "passing power" ika nga, e di it's an opportune time to switch to a more powerful engine.

I personally would go for the engine swap. It's not necessarily true na kung lesser ang displacement, mas economical ang kotse. Depende din kasi sa gearing yung fuel economy.

Here are the pros and cons behind both options:
A. Overhaul option
Pros:
1) 1/4 to 1/3 of the expense of an engine swap.
2) No need to rewire the car.

Cons:
1)Mabagal ang 1.3 liter 12-valve engine.


B. Engine Swap option
Pros:
1) Car has much more power, much more fun to drive and easier to merge into and pass slower traffic.
2) Bigger engine may have taller final drive ratio resulting in better fuel economy in the highway.
3) Overall value of the car improves.

Cons:
1) More expensive than overhaul
2) Need to purchase a matching transaxle for the bigger engine,
3) Need to buy ECU for new engine,
4) Need to have car rewired to accomodate ECU, its accompanying sensors and servos.

If it was my decision to make, I'd go with the engine swap.

[wildthing]

If you're going to do a change engine, this article at www.toysport.com can give you some highlights on what to expect:

Cars registered in Japan must meet very strict and comprehensive tests, initially after 3 years and then every 2 years. The cost of complying with these test standards can run as much as 30% of the vehicle value. There are almost no cars over 6 years old running! Cars are recycled early, over 4 years old, the owner has to pay the yard to recycle!

.... the result is a lot of good engines being recycled or retired prematurely.

These engines are not street-legal (in US). The Japanese emission standards are tighter than the U.S. but emission controls are totally different.

.... some Japanese spec engines have higher compression and about 10-15% more horsepower, compared to U.S. engines.

These low mileage engines from Japan, however may have been sitting for a couple of months, and the internals are usually dry or rings may be frozen. We oil the cylinders and turn over the engines when we receive them. Engines are checked, but there is no way to guarantee against oil consumption or low compression.

There is absolutely NO WARRANTY on these high-performance engines.

.... we recommend “refreshing”- putting at least new rings, head gasket, timing belts (specially for the older units) and cleaning the oil pan and pump. This assures you that the engine you are installing have no maintenance problems."

I cut some lines (yung may ....)

The thing is, it is still IDEAL na ipabukas mo pa rin yung "bago" mong makina....so gastos ka pa rin.

So unless, you'd be upgrading to a higher displacement engine (1.6L na 4AGE/4AGZE), ipa-overhaul mo na lang ang orig engine mo.

[Chellay]

finally decided ako, ill go for overhaul, na realize ko hindi ako sure sa engine na ipappalit ko, gumana man bka by nxt year ipa overhaul ko na rin, kya overhaul na lang yun stock engine para sure, nxt time na lang ako mag papalit ng engine pag may big budget na eh yaw ko naman tipirin kong mag change engine ako, gsto ko lahat palit... tnx sa inyo

[vinj]

Originally posted by Chellay
nxt time na lang ako mag papalit ng engine pag may big budget na eh yaw ko naman tipirin kong mag change engine ako, gsto ko lahat palit... tnx sa inyo

That's a good thing to do... If you change engine or do major mods, never do any shortcuts as it'll end up with more repairs in the end. That's one thing that some people i meet from time to time just dont fail to grasp.

[woulfe27]

chellay, mabagal talaga 2e na engine ng xe and xl. naninibago din ako kase 4af engine ko dati. IMO, mas ok magchange engine to 4age high horse, medyo mahirap daw parts ng 20v na 4age. kelan mo plano magengine swap? siguro kung me kasabay ka mas mura? sa parts and shop ba?

[afrasay]

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