Overrated engines... Eto nanaman po tayo.

[JCBalunsat]

Since I started I thread regarding overrated cars, let's talk about overrated gasoline engines. Shall we?
1. The infamous baddest engine in the Phil. B16A - performance wise, it's a f*ckin great engine, image wise, it's praised like a GOD and it smites anyone in it's path? (Do you really think so? hmmm)
2. Toyota's 4AGE - Sabi nga ng toyota lovers, "We can beat the B16 with this baby anytime anyday!". (Cute noh?)
These are the top two engines in my list. 3rd maybe the 4G63 but then it's not everyday you see one. The top on my list, psshhh... Selling like hotcakes and hotter than an overheating engine. Kayo what do you guys think?

[mazingerZ]

Overrated in my opinion is the Saturn Engine of Mitsu lancers circa 1980s. Kulang na lang sabihin ng mga mekaniko na lilipad yung kotse dahil sa sobrang bilis daw nito.

[theveed]

Until you have a clear definition of what "over-rated" means to you, these "over/under" rated threads are quite pointless...

[mazdamazda]

Errrmmmm... I think it's the various fanbois (who elevate these engines/cars to untouchable status) that are overrated.

[Type 100]

Until you have a clear definition of what "over-rated" means to you, these "over/under" rated threads are quite pointless...

+1.

I don't know about you but these "overrated (insert thing here)" threads smell like big rant threads and nothing else.

JC: Parang ang laki-laki ng problema mo sa mga Honda. If you hate them that much, don't buy them. That's far more effective than putting up all these threads in a black propaganda campaign.

ETO NA NAMAN PO TAYO

[JCBalunsat]

Over-rated to me is something that give too much credit for. Something that would seem like it is too perfect. Something flawless. Unbreakable. Unbeatable. Wala po akong galit sa Honda or Toyota. I own a Vti as a matter of fact. Well, I obeserved that a lot of people give this "over-rating" to these engines here. Maybe it could just make a difference if you, the experts explain.

[HyBrideVo]

Maybe you're just anxious about them B16's

[JCBalunsat]

Magulo lang po talaga ako. Naiirita lang siguro kasi puro B16 & 4age naririnig ko. Close thread nalang. para walang gulo. wakekekkekke

[niky]

You really have to clarify what over-rated means.

So, people say the B16 is great... so... what?

Most 1.6 liter engines make about 110-120 hp... the B16 makes 160-170 hp as stock.

The most powerful builds for streetable 1.6s I've seen peter out at about 200-300 horsepower. With the wide availability of parts, upgrades, and such, for the B16, it's possible to build 400-500 hp street blocks. No, it's not cheap or easy, but I've seen a couple.

The B16 isn't without its faults... it lacks torque, and the open-deck design and possible crankwalk are a problem in high power applications... but it's been rightly hailed as the "Chevy Small Block of the 90s". Simply because it's relatively cheap, easy to upgrade, and makes a lot of power.

"Over-rated" means that the thing we are talking about doesn't meet expectations... or that it's not capable of the things people say it's capable of... unfortunately, the B16 is very capable... hence, not over-rated.

I'd say that the same goes for the 4AGE... how many other motors exist in so many varieties and applications? From the 135 horse redtop 4AGEs of the Hachi-Roku era to the 4AGZE, 4AGTE and the 20Vs... up to the legendary (but rare)240hp Formula Atlantic motors... the 4AGE is adaptable to many more configurations than the B16... transverse mid-engine rear-wheel drive, front-wheel drive and longitudinal rear-wheel drive... it's one of the engines of choice for small kit-car and track-car makers, though many newer kits with the MR layout prefer the B16/B18 or the Nissan SR20.

These engines form the backbone of many backyard tuner industries and racing concerns... they're cheap, they make lots of power, and they're reliable. Over-rated? Not bloody likely.

Hated? Feared? Definitely. Especially by those of us who labor long and hard on our "inferior" motors to beat that guy with the 4AGE swap on the track... ...Gut-Damn, those things are fast.

[JCBalunsat]

You really have to clarify what over-rated means.

So, people say the B16 is great... so... what?

Most 1.6 liter engines make about 110-120 hp... the B16 makes 160-170 hp as stock.

The most powerful builds for streetable 1.6s I've seen peter out at about 200-300 horsepower. With the wide availability of parts, upgrades, and such, for the B16, it's possible to build 400-500 hp street blocks. No, it's not cheap or easy, but I've seen a couple.

The B16 isn't without its faults... it lacks torque, and the open-deck design and possible crankwalk are a problem in high power applications... but it's been rightly hailed as the "Chevy Small Block of the 90s". Simply because it's relatively cheap, easy to upgrade, and makes a lot of power.

"Over-rated" means that the thing we are talking about doesn't meet expectations... or that it's not capable of the things people say it's capable of... unfortunately, the B16 is very capable... hence, not over-rated.

I'd say that the same goes for the 4AGE... how many other motors exist in so many varieties and applications? From the 135 horse redtop 4AGEs of the Hachi-Roku era to the 4AGZE, 4AGTE and the 20Vs... up to the legendary (but rare)240hp Formula Atlantic motors... the 4AGE is adaptable to many more configurations than the B16... transverse mid-engine rear-wheel drive, front-wheel drive and longitudinal rear-wheel drive... it's one of the engines of choice for small kit-car and track-car makers, though many newer kits with the MR layout prefer the B16/B18 or the Nissan SR20.

These engines form the backbone of many backyard tuner industries and racing concerns... they're cheap, they make lots of power, and they're reliable. Over-rated? Not bloody likely.

Hated? Feared? Definitely. Especially by those of us who labor long and hard on our "inferior" motors to beat that guy with the 4AGE swap on the track... ...Gut-Damn, those things are fast.

Holy Sh*t, how do you know all this stuff?

[alwayz_yummy]

me want to swap that fromula atlantic 4age on those charades/starlets...hehehehe..and see 'em fly!

baka overrated -- for him mostly spoken..

i agree mitsu's "saturn" engine, talk of the mekanikos noon yun, ngayon b16 mas umaalulong than 4ag's.....cant remember yung sa toyota,e...

4g63 are mitsu tuner's cohice--heck dami nang iterations/revisions nitong engine na to--from 8-valve carb to MIVEC-turbo, mas fuller line up than the b16's and 4ag's...

same goes for the ever reliable 4d56--produced from 1985(ata) till this day(on the adventures...add turbo and/or intercooler--da old strada/l200/pajero/delica/L400..and put in a crdi and you'll find it on a strada)


ps: car fanatic si idol niky hehehe..

[Bogeyman]

Holy Sh*t, how do you know all this stuff?

niky knows car stuff that a lot of us can only begin to comprehend. Ingat ka, marami siyang alam sa oto mo.

Naagaw na yata niya yung trono ni carlocaraddict eh. :bwahaha:

[theveed]

Niky: Exactly...

AY: Exactly din, seems like as long as an item is mentioned too much, it's "over-rated"

[Memphis Raines]

Holy Sh*t, how do you know all this stuff?

FYI, Niky is just one of the Gurus here whom we can't live without. Aside from the fact that his knowledge on cars and other vehicles is an Abyss, he is also a racer.

[JCBalunsat]

FYI, Niky is just one of the Gurus here whom we can't live without. Aside from the fact that his knowledge on cars and other vehicles is an Abyss, he is also a racer.

Hmmmmmm........ galing ah. I really would like to know about him. Project N: Knowing Niky....

[Memphis Raines]

i agree mitsu's "saturn" engine, talk of the mekanikos noon yun, ngayon b16 mas umaalulong than 4ag's.....cant remember yung sa toyota,e...

Saturn ba yung nakakabit sa mga Colt 4 door models dati? Eto ba yung Twin Carburated?

[alwayz_yummy]

ako kasi, i dont care what engine is there.. alam ko lang specs, ok na yun--after ako sa technical capabilities ng engine--kung pwede swap-in ganitong part sa engine, etc..

pero engine alone will not deliver victory---nandyan ang gearing, handling, stopping, and most of all, the driver

but still, i wonber if i could swap-in a 3-stage D15B head on a D16 block...computerbox replaced siyempre noh)


*memph: di ko alam--para ata sa celeste,e....

[cyrusblutrooper]

c190 then c240 then 4ba1 then 4bc2 and now the infamous 4hf1 HAHAHAHAH

[Jun aka Pekto]

Overrated? Most engines with hp but no torque.

Underrated? The 1G Ford Probe GT 2.2L turbo 4. Modest 145hp with whopping 190 lb-ft torque. Not bad for a late 80's early 90's car. That car gave me fits everytime I encountered one at a stoplight back then.

[alwayz_yummy]

cyrus > may 4HG1 na ata....

true---c190-c240, 4ba1, 4bc2, 4dr5, even 4K--yan mga binabandera sa mga assembled na dyip...

owner namin dati--3au.....lintek humataw, lintek din sa consumo..