anti-smoke emission and fuel-saving device

**conzky** · October 21st, 2004 12:41 PM

Hi tsikot peeps:

This is not about the device being talked about here but it's about a similar gadget nonetheless:

When i was a little younger. i have this neighbor of mine, a mechanical engineer and had an auto repair shop. I remember, he was once boasting to us that he invented a gas-saving device: This device which he showed us, consists of a container, actually a dextrose bottle, full of water, this is located in a place higher than the carburetor; a box made of aluminum - about 3" x 3" x 1"- fastened to the exhaust manifold. The box has an inlet and an outlet tubes connected to the water container and to an adapter between the carburetor and intake manifold, respectively.

And he swore that his gadget worked.

BTW, said adapter also houses a muti-blade fan that rotates when the engine sucks air. He said that the fan breaks further the fuel into smaller molecules for better combustion.

He swore that his gadget worked.

Any comments about this gadget from our tsikot experts?

**mazdamazda** · October 21st, 2004 12:49 PM

that may work for carbs.

but for EFI engines it is almost pointless.

Originally posted by conzky
Hi tsikot peeps:

This is not about the device being talked about here but it's about a similar gadget nonetheless:

When i was a little younger. i have this neighbor of mine, a mechanical engineer and had an auto repair shop. I remember, he was once boasting to us that he invented a gas-saving device: This device which he showed us, consists of a container, actually a dextrose bottle, full of water, this is located in a place higher than the carburetor; a box made of aluminum - about 3" x 3" x 1"- fastened to the exhaust manifold. The box has an inlet and an outlet tubes connected to the water container and to an adapter between the carburetor and intake manifold, respectively.

And he swore that his gadget worked.

BTW, said adapter also houses a muti-blade fan that rotates when the engine sucks air. He said that the fan breaks further the fuel into smaller molecules for better combustion.

He swore that his gadget worked.

Any comments about this gadget from our tsikot experts?

**ericp** · October 21st, 2004 02:08 PM

...bottle with water.... hmm...that's probably a version of the "vapor bleed device" ......

where vapor (of water or collant) is allowed to enter the intake manifold ..... claimed to be a fuel saver, etc.

Here's a link to a court case docket involving US Postal Service and a vapor bleed device manufacturer/seller:

http://www.usps.com/judicial/1982deci/12-64ddd.htm

**niky** · October 21st, 2004 03:45 PM

Hmm... good precedent, that... so outright falsehood is not required for misrepresentation?

Merely misleading advertisment literature?

So if ANY of the conditions promised in the advertising are NOT fulfilled, then a full reimbursement is possible. Hmmmmmm....

**ghosthunter** · October 21st, 2004 04:51 PM

http://www.bbbsilicon.org/topic178.html

VEHICLE RETROFIT
DEVICES AND ADDITIVES

The Environmental Protection Agency Motor Vehicle Emission Laboratory has reported to the Council of Better Business Bureaus the following results of its tests and evaluations of vehicle retrofit devices and additives under the authority of the Clean Air Act and the Motor Vehicle Information and Cost Savings Act. The EPA does not approve or certify any device. It does determine, however, in accordance with standardized procedures, the fuel economy, emissions, safety, etc., performance of vehicle retrofit devices and additives for which fuel economy/emissions improvement claims are made. EPA definitions of the various categories of devices and additives are contained later in this report.

DEVICES/ADDITIVES WHICH DID NOT
SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT FUEL ECONOMY

Device/additive - Category

ADAKS Vacuum Breaker Air Bleed - Air Bleed
Air Jet Air Bleed - Air Bleed
Analube Synthetic Lubricant - Lubricant/Lubricant Additive
Aquablast Wyman Valve Air Bleed - Air Bleed
Auto-Miser - Air Bleed
Ball-Matic Air Bleed - Air Bleed
Berg Air Bleed - Air Bleed
BIAP Electronic Ignition Unit - Ignition Control
Econo-Jet Air Bleed Idle Screws - Air Bleed
Econo-Mist Vac. Vapor Induction Sys. - Vapor Air Bleed
Econo Needle Air Bleed - Air Bleed
EI-5 Fuel Additive - Fuel Additive
Electro-Dyn Superchoke - Intake System
Environmental Fuel Saver - Device Mounted Between Carb & Intake Manifold
Frantz Vapor Injection System - Vapor Air Bleed
Fuel Conservation Device - Intake System
FuelXpander - Fuel Pre-heater
Goodman Engine System, Model 1800 - H20/Water-Alcohol Inject.
Hydro-Catalyst Pre-Combustion Sys. - Device Mounted Between Carburetor and Intake Manifold
Johnson Fuel Additive - Fuel Additive
Lamkin Fuel Metering Device - Intake System
Landrum Mini-Carb - Air Bleed
Landrum Retrofit Air Bleed - Air Bleed
Lee Exhaust & Fuel Gasification EGR - EGR
Magna Flash Ignition Control System - Ignition Control
Malpassi Filter King (Tentative) - Fuel Pressure Regulator
Mark II Vapor Injection System - Vapor Air Bleed
Mini Turbocharger Air Bleed - Air Bleed
Monocar HC Control Air Bleed - Air Bleed
NRG #1 Fuel Additive - Fuel Additive
Paser Magnum - Ignition Control
Peterman Air Bleed - Air Bleed
Pollution Master Air Bleed - Air Bleed
QEI 400 Fuel Additive - Fuel Additive
Ram-Jet - Air Bleed
Rolfite Upgrade Fuel Additives - Fuel Additive
SCATPAC Vacuum Vapor Induction Sys. - Vapor Air Bleed
Smith Power & Deceleration Governor - Intake System
Sp.Form. Centrifugal Ign.Adv.Springs - Ignition Control
Sta-Power Fuel Additive - Fuel Additive
Stargas Fuel Additive - Fuel Additive
Technol G Fuel Additive - Fuel Additive
Tephguard - Lubricants
Turbo-Dyne G.R. Valve - Air Bleed
Turbo Vapor Injection System - Vapor Air Bleed
Vareb 10 Fuel Additive - Fuel Additive
XRG #1 Fuel Additive - Fuel Additive

DEVICES/ADDITIVES WHICH INDICATED A
SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE IMPACT ON FUEL ECONOMY AND
WHICH DID NOT PRODUCE A SIMULTANEOUS INCREASE IN
EXHAUST EMISSIONS

Device/Additive - Category

Pass Master Vehicle Air Conditioner Compressor Cut-off Device - Accessory Drive Device

DEVICES/ADDITIVES WHICH INDICATED A
SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE IMPACT ON FUEL ECONOMY AND
PRODUCED A SIMULTANEOUS INCREASE IN EXHAUST EMISSIONS

Device/Additive - Category

W/A WAAG-Injection System - H20/Water-Alcohol Inject.

DEFINITION OF DEVICE/ADDITIVE CATEGORIES

Accessory Drive - Devices which modify the method of operation or duration of use of an auxilary engine component (air conditioner compressor, power steering pump, alternator, etc.)

Air Bleed - Devices which bleed air into the air/fuel mixture after it leaves the carburetor and are usually installed in the PCV (Positive Crankcase Ventilation) line or as replacement idle mixture screws.

Devices Mounted Between Carburetor and Intake Manifold - Devices which go between the carburetor and intake manifold and are claimed to mix or vaporize the air/fuel mixture.

EGR - Non-original equipment EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) systems.

Fuel Additives - Materials which are added to the gas tank.

Fuel Pre-Heater - A device that heats the fuel before it enters the carburetor. The fuel is usually heated by the engine coolant, exhaust or electrically.

Fuel Pressure Regulator - Device for controlling or reducing the pressure of the fuel delivered to the carburetor.

Ignition Controls - Devices which are attached/added to the ignition system or replace original equipment parts.

Intake System - General modifications to the vehicle intake system.

Lubricants/Lubricant Additives - Usually materials which are poured into the crankcase either as a complete lubricant or as an additive to a complete lubricant.

Vapor Air Bleed - Similar to air bleed devices except that inducted air is bubbled through a water-anti-freeze material usually contained in a bottle or jar located in the engine compartment.

Water Injection - Devices where an injection nozzle injects a fluid, such as water or a water/alcohol solution, into the engine (carburetor air intake) in response to a control function. The fluid is usually contained in a bottle or jar in the engine compartment and is pumped into the engine's air intake by a pumping mechanism.

**ericp** · October 22nd, 2004 02:18 PM

I've seen something like this in kotse.com today.....I've replied to a post at kotse.com about what seems to be a "vapor bleed" device..... an auto shop in Ft. Bonifacio is selling it....

http://www.kotse.com/topics.php?acti...8160&forumid=1

**ghosthunter** · October 23rd, 2004 01:35 PM

Noticed something...

blu_gsr_98 said
...you can go to our auto shop at makati near ...

so blu_gsr_98 is a car shop owner trying to promote a "gas saving device"?

**ghosthunter** · October 25th, 2004 12:26 AM

Originally posted by ericp
I've seen something like this in kotse.com today.....I've replied to a post at kotse.com about what seems to be a "vapor bleed" device..... an auto shop in Ft. Bonifacio is selling it....

http://www.kotse.com/topics.php?acti...8160&forumid=1

I think I found that mentioned auto shop in Fort Boni but it was only selling the khoas device. Sales guy doesn't know what he is talking about.

**add616reneb** · October 25th, 2004 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Drexx
20Oct2004 (UTC +8)

This Ego thing seems to be just another catalytic converter. For what it's worth, there are several Toyota v8 engines already that have four (two pairs; one pair per exhaust pipe) like my 2UZ-FE.

I really don't mind if they sell it as such --they're just another guy trying to make a living; and besides it *may* really have some benefits however ineffecient it is --but to pad it with marketing babble to confuse the less educated is bad.

And as for this dual-Venturi gadget? It may just be two propellers inside that Ego thing that swirl the exhaust gases, like that Tornado gadget they're selling in the USA. However, instead of putting that swirly-gig in the intake manifold, they just put it in the catalytic converter!

The EGO is not a catalytic converter, it has no moving parts. It is made of Gauge 16 stainless steel. How it works? Just install (full-weld) the device at the tip of your vehicle’s tail pipe and because of its “double Venturi” design, the exhaust gas velocity is increased tremendously effecting an automatic “scavenging/ cleansing action” within the entire exhaust system which reaches up to the engine’s combustion chambers causing a more efficient dispersal of left-over wastes (unburnt fuel) and carbon deposits; thus the subsequent intake of fuel + air is assured to be in its ideal mixture for almost always “near-perfect” combustion resulting to optimum engine efficiency (reduced pollution, power boosts and fuel/oil savings).:nerd: