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    Quote Originally Posted by nelany View Post
    I have a lot of experiences dyan sa China factories at hindi fly by night company. Iba parin yung mentality nila sa quality. There is no such thing as 6sigma concept sa kanila. Maski TS16949 certified company sila ang dami pari speke sa linya nila.
    Highly possible yan. Kahit nga government certificates kaya bayaran e.

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    This is a 3rd party automotive certifying bodies na malabo na mabayaran pero yung quality ng planta ay dubious pa rin.

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    The experience of one does not apply to many. We have a subsidiary in China and it simply depends on perspective. Ever since its growth as an economic and manufacturing powerhouse, standards in China has risen by a lot.

    I must admit that Chinese aren't particular about quality.. you have low wages to thank for that but at least their productivity's higher than Filipinos given minimum wage. It doesn't just apply to China.. lahat naman ng bansa ganun unless you've been spoiled by first-world countries where their industries are geared more to services rather than manufacturing and that the general population is better educated towards added-value services.

    P.S. The Philippines is more corrupt than China. China's corrupt no doubt.. pero at least mahihiya pa sila magnakaw sa government coffers. That's why there's suicides there hindi kagaya dito na deny to death. Hell, even Estrada ran for office again. And yes, you can also buy ISO certifications here or, at the very least, bend them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhnkvn View Post
    The experience of one does not apply to many. We have a subsidiary in China and it simply depends on perspective. Ever since its growth as an economic and manufacturing powerhouse, standards in China has risen by a lot.

    I must admit that Chinese aren't particular about quality.. you have low wages to thank for that but at least their productivity's higher than Filipinos given minimum wage. It doesn't just apply to China.. lahat naman ng bansa ganun unless you've been spoiled by first-world countries where their industries are geared more to services rather than manufacturing and that the general population is better educated towards added-value services.

    P.S. The Philippines is more corrupt than China. China's corrupt no doubt.. pero at least mahihiya pa sila magnakaw sa government coffers. That's why there's suicides there hindi kagaya dito na deny to death. Hell, even Estrada ran for office again. And yes, you can also buy ISO certifications here or, at the very least, bend them.
    O.T.

    They are not better than us in corruption. The only difference is that they controlled the media thus it is not being exposed to the public. Every small & medium size company knows it. Those bigger corporation is exempted as they are controlled by the central govt. Those small and medium size ang pinag pi fiestahan ng LGU nila.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelany View Post
    O.T.

    They are not better than us in corruption. The only difference is that they controlled the media thus it is not being exposed to the public. Every small & medium size company knows it. Those bigger corporation is exempted as they are controlled by the central govt. Those small and medium size ang pinag pi fiestahan ng LGU nila.
    They are. I know of this firsthand because I've done business with Chinese nationals and officials. And comparing their system with ours, grabe saatin. Although cronyism runs strong sa China, at least they're ambitious enough to pursue projects and actually finish them. Look at the amount of roads paved, the urbanization of some cities, etc. In contrast, what about our progress?

    Corruption in the government there is.. well, let's just say it's 50/50. At the very least, you can still compete without being corrupt and without having two separate books of accounts. Here in the Philippines, I daresay lahat sa industry namin is corrupt. Not just the BIR, but the BOC, the LGU, hell.. lahat nalang.

    Actually, even the bigger corporations are corrupt. But it's the same as ours. Way back in 2007 when the yuan is being tightly controlled, Bank of China was offering us a "life insurance" package but is actually a method on how to purchase the yuan (as it was artificially being controlled by the government, it has no other way but to go up). China's shadow banking industry where there are a lot of off-the-books accounts that fueled their growth is amongst the current "corrupt" issues their banking industry faces and there is mass certainty on how many off-the-book loans were made hence the pessimistic valuation of their market.

    Chinese Official Fired After Dissing Fellow Citizens at Lavish Banquet | TIME.com
    Official sacked over daughter's luxury wedding- China.org.cn
    Chinese official sacked after 'citizen journalists' expose extravagant banquet | World news | theguardian.com

    And yes, they actually get sacked. Unlike in ours where we simply took up steps to curb the use of wang-wang. Sa kanila outright dismissal... even public shame. Eh saatin? How many Land Cruisers have you seen on the road bearing the "8" congressional plate? Not just once I presume. And I'm pretty sure Estradas doesn't ride in a Vios. Noo... they cause a 2-hour long traffic jam in Manila's City Hall just to file for their certificates of candidancy with 10,000 people behind them marching just to get their own share of $$$ afterwards.

    http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/me...rs-want-balato

    Balato. Amp nalang.
    Last edited by jhnkvn; October 6th, 2013 at 01:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhnkvn View Post
    They are. I know of this firsthand because I've done business with Chinese nationals and officials. And comparing their system with ours, grabe saatin. Although cronyism runs strong sa China, at least they're ambitious enough to pursue projects and actually finish them. Look at the amount of roads paved, the urbanization of some cities, etc. In contrast, what about our progress?

    Corruption in the government there is.. well, let's just say it's 50/50. At the very least, you can still compete without being corrupt and without having two separate books of accounts. Here in the Philippines, I daresay lahat sa industry namin is corrupt. Not just the BIR, but the BOC, the LGU, hell.. lahat nalang.

    Actually, even the bigger corporations are corrupt. But it's the same as ours. Way back in 2007 when the yuan is being tightly controlled, Bank of China was offering us a "life insurance" package but is actually a method on how to purchase the yuan (as it was artificially being controlled by the government, it has no other way but to go up). China's shadow banking industry where there are a lot of off-the-books accounts that fueled their growth is amongst the current "corrupt" issues their banking industry faces and there is mass certainty on how many off-the-book loans were made hence the pessimistic valuation of their market.

    Chinese Official Fired After Dissing Fellow Citizens at Lavish Banquet | TIME.com
    Official sacked over daughter's luxury wedding- China.org.cn
    Chinese official sacked after 'citizen journalists' expose extravagant banquet | World news | theguardian.com

    And yes, they actually get sacked. Unlike in ours where we simply took up steps to curb the use of wang-wang. Sa kanila outright dismissal... even public shame. Eh saatin? How many Land Cruisers have you seen on the road bearing the "8" congressional plate? Not just once I presume. And I'm pretty sure Estradas doesn't ride in a Vios. Noo... they cause a 2-hour long traffic jam in Manila's City Hall just to file for their certificates of candidancy with 10,000 people behind them marching just to get their own share of $$$ afterwards.

    Erap supporters want 'balato' | ABS-CBN News

    Balato. Amp nalang.
    Ewan ko nalang ba. Experience may vary naman. But personally, I find the Philippines more corrupt than China.

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