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  1. Join Date
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    #11

    Agree here. Easier said than done. This is a touchy situation.

    Both the company and the employees are in survival mode, especially now, when the demands for most products and services are low. Forced leave or some call it company leave should be executed within a reasonable period of time, say 1 week or two to save on salary and/or utility costs (while probably, there's ongoing maintenance of company facilities et al). Else, the company should pay separation.

    7000:diver:

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    #12
    ang mga employer ngayon wala nang pakialam sa mga loyal employees nila na nagserve sa kanila for more than 10 yrs. tsk tsk tsk napansin ko lang...

    ang mga kawawang employees naman, nasayang ang panahon nila sa pagbigay ng serbisyo sa kumpanyang walang utang na loob
    Last edited by BoyL3; November 19th, 2008 at 08:46 AM.

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    #13
    Quote Originally Posted by BoyL3 View Post
    ang mga employer ngayon wala nang pakialam sa mga loyal employees nila na nagserve sa kanila for more than 10 yrs. tsk tsk tsk napansin ko lang...

    ang mga kawawang employees naman, nasayang ang panahon nila sa pagbigay ng serbisyo sa kumpanyang walang utang na loob
    mejo OT ito ha. pero lagi ko naririnig kasi yung ganyang linya pag nag-aalis ng empleyado ang mga opisina o negosyo.

    pero kung iisipin mo, utang na loob ba ng kumpanya yung pagiging loyal ng empleyado? ndi ba obligasyon yun ng emplayedo? isa pa, may sweldo naman ang empleyado at ndi naman libre yung serbisyo nila.

    fyi, empleyado din lang ako pero ndi ko iniisip na may utang na loob sa akin ang mga boss ko dahil pinag-iigi ko trabaho ko.

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    #14
    Quote Originally Posted by fourtheboys96 View Post
    mejo OT ito ha. pero lagi ko naririnig kasi yung ganyang linya pag nag-aalis ng empleyado ang mga opisina o negosyo.

    pero kung iisipin mo, utang na loob ba ng kumpanya yung pagiging loyal ng empleyado? ndi ba obligasyon yun ng emplayedo? isa pa, may sweldo naman ang empleyado at ndi naman libre yung serbisyo nila.

    fyi, empleyado din lang ako pero ndi ko iniisip na may utang na loob sa akin ang mga boss ko dahil pinag-iigi ko trabaho ko.

    opinion ko yan sir, pero kung yan ang opinion mo, I respect your opinion.

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    #15

    Agree with both of you bros. fourtheboys96 and BoyL3, sadly, security of tenure is now a thing of the past. So, we should treat each day as our last day at work....

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    #16
    di natin masisisi ang iba sa atin dito dahil hindi pa nangyari sa kanila hehehe i hope di sila ma forced leave or mawalan ng trabaho katulad nung mga kakilala ko

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    #17
    Apparently, legal ang forced leave but only if with valid reason, limited time and applied with due process. It's a legitimate exercise of management prerogative.

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    #18
    Quote Originally Posted by BoyL3 View Post
    ang mga employer ngayon wala nang pakialam sa mga loyal employees nila na nagserve sa kanila for more than 10 yrs. tsk tsk tsk napansin ko lang...

    ang mga kawawang employees naman, nasayang ang panahon nila sa pagbigay ng serbisyo sa kumpanyang walang utang na loob

    medyo hard core naman to although i understand where this is coming from... especially sa tao o worker na lone breadwinner sa family, 5 anak... yng asawa ay wala ding trabaho... lahat ng pangangailangan talagang naka asa sa kumpanya.... maaari ganito talaga ang pananaw... survival mode ikaw nga... so bawat sentimo na benepisyo, kwentado.... pero ang employer.. survival mode din right now.... sa lakas ng competition... smuggling... piracy... nag invest siya ng pera nya in a business... natural may risk... natural lang na gustuhin nya ma maximize profit...


    Quote Originally Posted by fourtheboys96 View Post
    mejo OT ito ha. pero lagi ko naririnig kasi yung ganyang linya pag nag-aalis ng empleyado ang mga opisina o negosyo.

    pero kung iisipin mo, utang na loob ba ng kumpanya yung pagiging loyal ng empleyado? ndi ba obligasyon yun ng emplayedo? isa pa, may sweldo naman ang empleyado at ndi naman libre yung serbisyo nila.

    fyi, empleyado din lang ako pero ndi ko iniisip na may utang na loob sa akin ang mga boss ko dahil pinag-iigi ko trabaho ko.
    for me i think this should be the right attitude... yng 10 years na paninilbihan.. may sweldo naman siya.. malamang nakaka cash advance pa kung may mahigpit na pangangailangan... tapos palalabasin na walang utang na loob?? kung legal ang pag uusapan... employer employee relationship is a contract... employee works for compensation... employer derives profit from the work of the employee so compensate nya dapat yung employee.... therefore strictly speaking hindi pinag uusapan ang utang na loob dito.... unless may mga deficiencies ang employer sa employee like mandated benefits.... pero... look on the other side... di ba minsan employee may pagkukulang din sa employer? pag gamit ng friendster habang nasa trabaho? pag login sa tsikot kahit hindi part ng job description? pag petiks petiks sa trabaho? pag uwi ng office supplies? etc...

    anyway.. industrial relations really is a huge topic kung kwntuhan din lang ang pag uusapan...

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    #19
    I think it's illegal kasi tied pa rin yung employee sayo tapos di mo binabayaran.

    Kung inefficient or below-standard performer, the best is to fire the person and pay separation (or whatever those payments are called). This of course, is after some negotiation or work-outs on how to make the employee perform better. Kung wala pa rin, it's parting time.

    I've met a lot of people who didn't want to help themselves either. People who just go to work to wait for the 5pm (or dismissal time).

    Di rin natin masisi yung company kasi nga naman, you hire people to work for you. If they are not working as they should, your projections will not be met - which is bad for business (and the whole organization because it will crumble when it tanks - lahat ng tao, even those who are doing their jobs properly will suffer).

    It's just work, don't take it personally. Ika nga: trabaho lang, walang personalan. This is under assumption that everything is fair for both parties. Pag may injustice, fight for your rights (or go the easier route: quit and be self-employed).

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    #20
    but the big question is, IN THE MIDST OF FREEZE HIRING, ARE YOU WILLING TO LET GO OF YOUR JOB?


    how many companies are hiring nowadays?

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